What This Girl Saw in Heaven Will Give You Goosebumps

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WHAT WOULD YOU DO, YOU
HAVE YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER

OVER, YOU ARE ENJOYING
YOURSELF IN YOUR SWIMMING

POOL IN THE BACK YARD, AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN MARY JOE

PENNINGTON DECIDES TO GO
UP ON THE DIVING BOARD AND

SHE YELLS OUT, “MY GOD, I
HAVE BROKEN MY BABY,

WHAT HAPPENED?

WELL I CLIMBED TO
THE TOP OF THE SLIDING

BOARD I HAVE A SLID THAT
GOES DOWN INTO THE POOL,

WITH GREAT CAUTION AND
CARE BECAUSE I HADN’T DONE

THAT IN OVER FOUR YEARS,
AND AS I GOT TO THE TOP,

VICTORIA SAID, “MAJO, CAN
I COME UP AND SLID DOWN

WITH YOU?

AND I SAID SURE, AND SHE,
I DIDN’T REALIZE SHE JUST

SCOOTED RIGHT UP BEHIND
ME,

SHE WAS JUST RIGHT BEHIND
ME,

AND MY OLD KNEES JUST GAVE
WAY AND I FELL FLAT,

REALLY HARD, AND MY BODY
HIT HER AND SHE WENT

FLYING BACKWARDS AT A VERY
HIGH RATE OF SPEED AND IT

WAS NINE FEET TO THE
CONCRETE,

AND I JUST SCREAMED, “OH
GOD,

I HAVE BROKEN MY BABY,”
AND I KEPT SCREAMING THAT

AND SCREAMING IT AND,

DON, YOU WERE WATCHING, FIRST
OF ALL WHAT IS YOUR

PROFESSION?

I’M AN ENGINEER.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS
YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER TOO,

WHAT DID YOU SEE WITH YOUR
EYES.

WELL, I WAS IN THE
POOL AND ALONGSIDE THE

POOL ABOUT OPPOSITE WHERE
THE SLIDING BOARD WAS,

AND I HEARD MAJO SCREAM, I
WASN’T LOOKING AT HER AT

THE TIME BUT I HEARD HER
SCREAM,

“OH GOD, I’VE BROKEN MY
BABY,

AND I LOOKED UP IN TIME
TO WATCH VICTORIA FLY

BACKWARDS AWAY FROM THE
SLIDING BOARD,

AND SHE STRETCHED OUT
HORIZONTALLY,

HER LITTLE BODY STRETCHED
OUT HORIZONTALLY,

I SAW IT ROTATE 180
DEGREES SO HER FEET WERE

POINTING IN THE OPPOSITE
DIRECTION.

WHILE SHE WAS STILL
HORIZONTAL IN THE AIR.

HORIZONTAL.

YOU’RE AN ENGINEER,
HOW CAN YOU ACCOUNT FOR

THAT?

WELL, WHAT I WAS
SEEING WAS NOT MAKING

SENSE TO MY BRAIN, AND
THEN I SAW HER ALMOST

FLOAT AND NOT ONLY GO
STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE

CONCRETE BUT SHE MOVED
OVER ABOUT SIX FEET AWAY

FROM THE SLIDING BOARD AND
SETTLED DOWN ON HER LITTLE

BACKSIDE AND HER ELBOWS
AND HANDS.

AND I JUST COULDN’T
BELIEVE WHAT,

I EXPECTED TO SEE HER BODY
FLYING IN ALL KINDS OF

PARTS.

SO YOU OBVIOUSLY WENT
TO EXAMINE WHAT WAS GOING

ON, WHERE WERE YOU, WERE
YOU STILL ON TOP OF THE

SLIDING BOARD?

YES, I COULDN’T
GET DOWN AT ALL,

AND I COULDN’T SEE HER
WHEN SHE WAS BEHIND ME AND

THEN SUDDENLY, AND SHE
DIDN’T SCREAM,

I WAS SCREAMING, BUT SHE
DIDN’T SCREAM,

BUT SUDDENLY I SAW HER
SETTLE IN MY VIEW WHERE I

COULD SEE HER, AND I FELT
AS THOUGH I HAD TO KEEP MY

EYES ON HER IF I GLANCED
AWAY SHE WOULD FALL INTO A

MILLION PIECES, I JUST HAD
TO KEEP EYE CONTACT WITH

HER AND I WAS STILL
SCREAMING I’VE BROKEN MY

BABY BUT I JUST KNEW THAT
IF I STOPPED,

I DON’T KNOW WHY I FELT
LIKE I COULD HOLD HER

TOGETHER JUST BY LOOKING
AT HER,

AND THEN GRANDPA CAME
AROUND TO CHECK HER OUT.

WHAT DID YOU SEE?

WELL, SHE WAS TRYING
TO GET UP,

SHE SAID, “GRANDPA, I’M
OKAY,

I’M ALL RIGHT,” AND SHE
WAS PHYSICALLY TRYING TO

GET UP.

AND I MADE HER LAY STILL,
AND I SAID PLEASE LET ME

CHECK YOU ALL OVER,
BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW

WHAT I WAS GOING TO FIND.

YOU’RE TELLING ME SHE
FELL OVER THRUST LIKE WITH

A FORCE AND FELL NINE FEET
ONTO CEMENT?

RIGHT.

YEAH, SO, WHO WAS
WITH HER?

I CHECKED HER OVER, I
CHECKED,

YOU KNOW HER HEAD, AND HER
NECK AND HER SPINE,

HER ARMS AND HER LEGS, AND
THEY ALL WORKED AND THERE

WAS NO BLOOD AND SHE
APPEARED PERFECTLY NORMAL,

SO AT THAT POINT I DID LET
HER GET UP AND THEN I

NOTICED TWO LITTLE PLACES
ON HER BODY,

SHE HAD A LITTLE SCRAPE ON
HER RIGHT ELBOW,

AND A LITTLE RED MARK ON
HER PALM,

AND THAT IS THE ONLY
EVIDENCE OF ANY INJURY

THAT I COULD FIND.

OKAY, YOU ARE AN
ENGINEER,

A LOGICAL MAN, HOW DO YOU
ACCOUNT FOR THIS,

IT’S NOT MAKING SENSE TO
MY BRAIN.

WELL, IT DIDN’T MAKE
SENSE TO MINE AND I CAN’T

ACCOUNT FOR IT NOW, IT’S –
IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE

LEARNED LATER, FROM
TALKING TO VICTORIA,

BUT AT THAT TIME IT JUST
MADE NO SENSE TO ME AT

ALL.

NOW, MAJO, WHEN YOU
HEARD YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER

TALKING TO HER MOTHER ON
THE TELEPHONE YOU GOT YOUR

FIRST INKLING OF WHAT
REALLY WAS GOING ON,

WHAT DID YOU OVER HEAR?

SHE SAID, “MOMMY,
I’M NOT BROKEN,

MAJO KNOCKED ME OFF THE
SLIDE,

AND I HEARD GOD YELL,
“SAVE THE CHILDREN,

CATCH VICTORIA, AND SIX
BIG,

BIG, BIG, BIG ANGELS CAME
AND CAUGHT ME AND ZOOM,

TOOK ME RIGHT UP TO
HEAVEN.”

NOW DON, IS THERE ANY
OTHER EXPLANATION FOR HOW

SHE FELL AND THE FACT THAT
SHE DIDN’T BREAK HER BODY?

NO, NOT TO ME THERE’S
NOT.

I CAN’T THINK OF
ANYTHING.

WELL WE JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS A GREAT MIRACLE OF

GOD’S PROTECTION THAT KEPT
HER FROM SERIOUS INJURY,

BUT WHEN WE HEARD HER TALK
TO HER MOTHER ON THE PHONE

THAT SHE HAD GONE TO
HEAVEN,

WE WERE JUST, WE DIDN’T
KNOW WHAT TO THINK AT THAT

POINT.

SPEECHLESS.

OKAY, THEY HAD LIKE A
HOME VIDEO OF VICTORIA

WHEN THIS HAPPENED AND HER
REPORTING ON WHAT SHE SAW;

LET’S GO TO THAT RIGHT
NOW.

ALL RIGHT, NOW SHOW
ME WHAT HAPPENED.

VICTORIA: FROM THAT.

SHOW ME.

VICTORIA: WHEN THE ANGEL
CAUGHT ME,

I SAID, “BOOM!”.

(GRANDPARENT LAUGHING)

OKAY, NOW THAT’S KIND
OF,

SHE’S SEVEN NOW, I CAN SEE
WHERE YOU WENT FROM OY VEY!

TO A MIRACLE, YOU MUST
HAVE BEEN A GRATEFUL

GRANDMOTHER.

I WAS, I COULDN’T
STOP THANKING GOD,

FOR THIS WONDERFUL
BLESSING THAT HE GAVE US

THAT HE SAVED HER, I JUST
COULDN’T STOP. [MUSIC♪]

AND SHE KEEPS GOING
BACK TO HEAVEN,

WE’LL BE BACK IN JUST A
FEW MINUTES,

DON’T GO AWAY, I KNOW
YOU’LL BE BACK.

[MUSIC♪]

WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK TO,
“IT’S SUPERNATURAL!”

[MUSIC♪] WE NOW RETURN TO,
“IT’S SUPERNATURAL.”

HELLO, SID ROTH HERE
WITH MARY JO PENNINGTON,

SHE IS AFFECTIONATELY
CALLED BY HER

GRANDDAUGHTER, MAJO, AND
MAJO YOU GOT THE SHOCK OF

YOUR LIFE, YOUR
GRANDDAUGHTER,

YOU FALL, KNOCK HER OFF OF
THE TOP OF THE SLIDING

BOARD, SHE FALLS DOWN SOME
NINE FEET ONTO THE CEMENT

BUT SHE FALLS IN ALMOST A
SUSPENDED STATE,

WHERE SHE CHANGES HER
POSITION,

YOUR HUSBAND SAID THERE IS
NO HUMAN EXPLANATION THEN

YOU OVERHEAR HER TALKING
ON THE TELEPHONE TO HER

MOTHER AND SHE SAID, SIX.

SIX BIG, BIG,BIG, ANGELS
CAUGHT HER

AND ZOOM, TOOK HER UP TO HEAVEN.

NOW, I’M SURE IF IT
HAD BEEN ME I WOULD HAVE

QUESTIONED MY
GRANDDAUGHTER AT THAT

POINT, WHAT DID YOU DO?

WELL, WE WERE SO
SURPRISED THAT WE COULDN’T

THINK OF ANYTHING
INTELLIGENT TO ASK HER,

SO WE ASKED HER WHAT COLOR
WERE THEIR ROBES AND THEIR

WINGS AND THEIR ROBES WERE
WHITE AND THEIR WINGS WERE

WHITE, SHINY, SPARKLING,
AND THE ANGLES THEMSELVES

GLOWED, AND WHEN, THEY
HAD,

I SAID HOW BIG WERE THEY,
AND SHE SAID REALLY BIG,

THEIR HANDS WERE THIS
WIDE,

LIKE FROM HERE TO HERE,
SHE SAID AND THEY WERE

WARM AND GLISTERING AND
GLOWING,

AND WHEN THEY HOLD MY
HAND,

SHE SAID, WHEN THEM HOLD
MY HAND MY HAND GLOWED

TOO, THEY MADE HER LIGHT
UP LIKE A LIGHT BULB,

SHE SHOWN LIKE A LIGHT
BULB.

NOW WHERE DID THEY
TAKE HER?

THEY TOOK HER UP,
SHE SAID THEY PASSED ALL

THE THINGS THAT SHE LIKES,
THE TREES AND THE BIRDS,

THEY PASSED AN AIRPLANE
THAT WAS TAKING OFF AND

THEY WERE GOING STRAIGHT
UP AND THE PLANE WAS GOING

SIDEWAYS, SHE LOOKED BACK
AND THE EARTH WAS GETTING

SMALLER AND SMALLER, WHEN
SHE FIRST SAW IT,

IT WAS LIKE ROUNDED AND
THEN IT GOT WHERE IT WAS

LIKE A LITTLE BALL, AND
THEN SHE,

THEY GOT TO A PLACE, IT
WAS WAY BEYOND THE STARS,

THAT THERE WAS A STAIRWAY
THAT HAD ANGELS GOING BACK

AND FORTH UP TO HEAVEN AND
HER SIX ANGELS AND HER

CONTINUED UP THE STAIRWAY,
AND WHEN THEY GOT TO

WITHIN, THEY TOLD HER TO
LOOK AHEAD AND IT WAS LIKE

THERE WAS THIS BIG
GLOWING,

SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT THEY
WERE GOING TO LAND ON THE

SUN IT WAS SO GLOWING.

AND THEY GOT CLOSER AND
CLOSER BUT IT WASN’T HOT,

IT JUST WAS GLOWING LIKE
THE SUN BUT MUCH BRIGHTER,

AND WHEN THEY LANDED SHE
WAS IN FRONT OF A GATE AND

A SMALL ANGEL, THAT HAD
BEEN COMING UP ALONG WITH

HER, UP THE STAIRS, CAME
OVER TO THE GATE AND

TICKLED THE GATE WITH HER
FEATHER AND THE GATE

LAUGHED, AND SWING OPEN.

NOW WHEN SHE WENT
INTO HEAVEN SHE SAW SOME

BABIES, TELL ME ABOUT
THAT.

YES, SHE SAID AN
ANGEL CAME OUT TO TELL HER

WHERE WAS JESUS, AND THEN
TOOK HER TO THE BABY

PLACE, AND THE BABY PLACE
THAT SHE FIRST WAS TAKEN

TO WAS A REALLY BIG,
REALLY LARGE BEAUTIFUL

BUILDING, AND IN IT WERE
LONG,

LOTS OF TABLES THAT WERE
VERY SOFT,

AND JESUS AND THE ANGELS
WERE WORKING ON LITTLE

BABIES THAT VICTORIA COULD
HOLD IN HER HAND,

AND THEY WERE MAKING THEM
WHOLE,

AND THE BABIES, EVEN
THOUGH THEY STAYED LITTLE,

THEY INSTANTLY, AFTER
JESUS MADE THEM WHOLE,

HAD MENTAL CAPACITY TO BE
ABLE TO SPEAK AND

UNDERSTAND AND THEY WERE
MADE STRONG TO WHERE THEY

COULD USE THEIR ARMS AND
THEIR LEGS BUT THEY STAYED

LITTLE, THEY GROW THE
NORMAL SIZE THAT THEY

WOULD ON THE EARTH, BUT
WHEN THEY ARE MADE WHOLE

THEY HAVE FULL MENTAL
CAPACITY.

NOW IN YOUR BOOK YOU
TALK ABOUT SOME

TERMINOLOGY SHE USES
ABOUT,

SHE SAID THE BABY WOULD
SQUEEZE OUT,

EXPLAIN THAT.

YES, SHE WENT TO
THIS OTHER ROOM THEY HAD A

BEAUTIFUL BABY ROOM AND
THIS LITTLE BABY,

THE FIRST BABY SHE SAW SHE
SAID HER WAS SQUEEZED OUT

OF HER MAMA BEFORE HER
WERE OLD ENOUGH TO LIVE.

AND WE MET SEVERAL BABIES
THERE THAT WERE,

AND THEN SHE STARTED TO
TELL ME ABOUT A LITTLE

BABY THAT HAD GONE FULL
TERM,

BUT SHE STARTED TO LOOK
KIND OF SICK WHEN SHE TOLD

ME ABOUT HER, SHE SAID SHE
WAS THE GARBAGE BABY.

YOU KNOW WHAT, A
FOUR-YEAR-OLD,

IS THERE ANY WAY A
FOUR-YEAR-OLD COULD KNOW

ABOUT ABORTION?

NO, THERE IS NO
WAY,

BUT SHE, EACH OF THE
BABIES THAT HAD BEEN

ABORTED WERE THIS LITTLE
AND THEY WERE SQUEEZED OUT

BEFORE THEY WERE OLD
ENOUGH TO LIVE,

AND THEN THE GARBAGE BABY
WAS LEFT AT A DUMPSTER AND

IT DIED.

AND WHEN THE GARBAGE BABY
TOLD HER THAT STORY,

SHE BECAME A LITTLE SAD,
AND THEY WENT AND GOT,

A KANGAROO CAME AND PUT
HER IN HER POUCH,

IT WAS A WARM PLACE FOR
THIS LITTLE BABY TO BE,

AND THE KANGAROO ACTUALLY
TOOK THEM FOR A RIDE OUT

IN THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK AND
VICTORIA COULDN’T FIT ALL

THE WAY IN AND SHE HUNG
HER LEGS OUT AND THEY WENT

BOUNCING, THEY WOULD
BOUNCE AS HIGH AS THE SKY,

AND.

YOU KNOW WHAT, IF SHE
WAS MAKING THIS WHOLE

THING UP, HERE IS THE DEAL
AS I SEE IT,

NUMBER ONE, THE WAY SHE
FELL WITH NOT ANYTHING

EVEN BROKEN, YOU CAN TELL
THERE IS SOMETHING

SUPERNATURAL, ME, I DON’T
HAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION

THAN ANGELS CAUGHT HER,
AND FOR A FOUR-YEAR-OLD TO

HAVE SUCH A GRAPHIC
DESCRIPTION OF ABORTION,

BUT IT GETS EVEN MORE
EXCITING THAN THAT,

SHE SEES THINGS IN HEAVEN
THAT WE READ ABOUT IN THE

SCRIPTURES, AGAIN, THERE
WOULD BE NO WAY SHE COULD

KNOW THESE FACTS BUT LET’S
GO TO A CLIP OF A REPORT

ON THE CHILDREN SHE SAW IN
HEAVEN.

VICTORIA: THERE WAS EIGHT
BOYS,

EIGHT GIRLS; THERE WAS
EIGHT BOYS,

EIGHT GIRLS.

[MUSIC♪]

WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK TO,
“IT’S SUPERNATURAL.”

[MUSIC♪] WE NOW RETURN TO “IT’S
SUPERNATURAL.”

SID ROTH HERE WITH
MARY JO,

AFFECTIONATELY CALLED MAJO
BY HER FAMILY,

PENNINGTON, AND HER
FOUR-YEAR-OLD

GRANDDAUGHTER SHOULD HAVE
DIED,

FELL STRAIGHT ONTO
CONCRETE,

BUT SHE REALLY DIDN’T
FALL,

SHE WAS CARRIED BY ANGELS,
SHE SAW THE ANGELS,

HER GRANDFATHER WHO IS AN
ENGINEER SAID IT IS

HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER
NOT TO HAVE HURT HERSELF,

AND TO HAVE FALLEN AND TO
TURN IN MID-AIR THE WAY

SHE TURNED, UNLESS THERE
WAS SOME SUPERNATURAL

HELP, AND THEN SHE WENT TO
HEAVEN,

AND SHE TALKED ABOUT
SEEING LITTLE BOYS AND

LITTLE GIRLS, TELL ME
ABOUT THAT.

YES, SHE SAW
EIGHT BOYS AND EIGHT GIRLS

AND THESE CHILDREN RANGED
IN AGE FROM AROUND

FOUR-YEARS-OLD TO TEN-
YEARS-OLD,

SOME OF THESE CHILDREN HAD
BEEN ABORTED,

SQUEEZED OUT BEFORE THEY
COULD LIVE,

BUT ONE LITTLE BOY, WE
FOUND OUT IN AN UNUSUAL

WAY, WE WERE HAVING, WE
WERE AT,

PUTTING FLOWERS BY MY
MOTHERS GRAVE ABOUT TWO

WEEKS AFTER SHE FELL, AND
SHE HAD TO FIND THE GRAVE

OF A LITTLE BOY, SHE JUST
HAD TO,

IT WAS URGENT FOR HER TO
FIND THIS GRAVE,

AND DIDN’T YOU KIND
OF WONDER WHY A

FOUR-YEAR-OLD IS LOOKING
FOR A GRAVE OF SOMEONE?

YES, HER MOTHER
WALKED ALL OVER THIS HUGE

CEMETERY LOOKING FOR IT,
AND THE ONLY WAY SHE FOUND

HIM, SHE FINALLY MENTIONED
THAT THE,

WE WANTED TO LEAVE AND
COME BACK ANOTHER DAY,

AND SHE SAID, “BUT THE
TENT WILL BE GONE,

AND APPARENTLY SHE HAD
OBSERVED THE TENT FROM

ANOTHER PLACE AND KNEW
FROM THE TENT HOW TO GET

TO WHERE THE GRAVE WAS,
AND SO THEY STARTED

LOOKING AT ALL OBSERVED THE
TENT FROM

ANOTHER PLACE, WHAT DO YOU
MEAN?

SHE SAW IT FROM
HEAVEN.

THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT
YOU WERE SAYING;

GO AHEAD.

MICHAEL SHOWED IT
TO HER FROM HEAVEN.

MICHAEL, WHO IS
MICHAEL?

ONE OF THE EIGHT
BOYS AND EIGHT GIRLS.

OKAY.

AND THIS IS THE
LITTLE BOY SHE IS LOOKING

FOR AND SHE, WHEN THEY
FINALLY LOOKED AROUND AND

THEY SAW A TENT OVER
BEYOND MY MOTHERS GRAVE

ABOUT NINETY FEET, AND SO
THEY DROVE BACK AROUND AND

SHE WALKED UP TO THAT,
TURNED HER BACK TO THE

TENT, AND LOOKED OUT
ACROSS THE CEMETERY AS

THOUGHT GETTING HER
BEARING,

AND WALKED STRAIGHT TO
THIS LITTLE BOYS GRAVE,

AND SHE SAID TO HER
MOTHER,

“WHAT DOES THAT SAY?”

AND SHE SAID, “HONEY IT
SAYS A LITTLE BOY,

HIS NAME IS MICHAEL.”

SHE SAID THIS IS IT, AND
SHE SAW HIM IN HEAVEN AND

SHE SAID WHY DO WE NEED TO
FIND HIS GRAVE,

AND SHE SAID BECAUSE THERE
IS ANOTHER ONE.

AND SHE LATER REVEALED TO
US THAT HE WAS KILLED IN A

CRASH, SHE TOLD US HOW THE
CRASH HAPPENED AND IT WAS

IN THE NEWSPAPER EXACTLY
AS SHE TOLD IT TO US,

EXCEPT SHE TOLD US THAT
THE CAR WAS FORCED OFF THE

ROAD BY A BIG MONSTER
TRUCK WIT LUMP,

LUMP TIRES, AND THEN IT
HIT A CEMENT THING,

AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH
THE AIR,

IT TURNED UPSIDE DOWN AND
LANDED IN A TREE.

WELL THE NEWSPAPER DID NOT
GIVE THE ACCOUNT OF THE

MONSTER TRUCK BECAUSE THAT
PERSON LEFT THE SCENE,

BUT THE CAR ACTUALLY HAD
BEEN STOPPED BY A COP AND

HAD BEEN LEFT, AND AFTER
IT LEFT THE COP,

THIS WAS ALL IN THE
NEWSPAPER,

IT COULD SOMEONE HAVE
READ THAT ARTICLE TO HER

AND SHE JUST MADE THAT UP?

NO, BUBBA, HER
BROTHER,

PATRICK WENT BACK THE NEXT
DAY TO THE CEMETERY AND

GOT THE NAME OFF THE
MARKER,

YES, AND WENT TO HIS
SCHOOL AND LOOKED IT UP ON

THE INTERNET AND THE
NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS WERE

THERE AND HE PRINTED THEM
AND BROUGHT THEM TO US AND

WE WERE JUST ASTONISHED.

BECAUSE THE FIRST THING
HER MOTHER SAID,

ASK HER WHAT COLOR THE CAR
WAS AND WE DID AND SHE

SAID IT WAS RED.

SHE SAID ASK HER IF IT
LANDED UPSIDE DOWN OR

RIGHT SIDE UP, SHE SAID
UPSIDE DOWN,

THAT’S WHEN SHE TOLD ME
ALL ABOUT HOW THE WRECK

HAPPENED, AND I WAS
TELLING IT BACK TO SANDY

AND SANDY WAS SAYING MAN,
I’VE GOT GOOSE BUMPS,

IT IS SO UNREAL, IT IS
JUST EXACTLY LIKE IT IS IN

THE PAPER.

NOW WHAT DID SHE
MEAN,

THERE IS ANOTHER ONE?

WELL THERE WERE
SOME CUSTODY BATTLES AFTER

THAT, THE LITTLE BOY HAD
LIVED WITH HIS FATHER BUT

HE WAS VISITING HIS MOTHER
AND HER BOYFRIEND WRECKED

THE CAR AND THEY WERE BOTH
KILLED,

THE MAN AND THE LITTLE
BOY,

AND THE LITTLE BOY WANTED
HIS SISTER TO STAY WITH

HIS FATHER, ACTUALLY.

HE WANTED HER, HIM NOT TO,
HER NOT TO HAVE TO GO WITH

THE MOTHER ANYMORE.

NOW HOW DID YOU KNOW
ALL OF THESE FACTS?

IN THE NEWSPAPER.

SO THERE IS REALLY NO
EXPLANATION FOR VICTORIA

TO HAVE ALL THIS
INFORMATION?

NO, NOT AT ALL.

EXCEPT TO PROVE TO
YOU THAT THERE WAS

SOMETHING WAY BEYOND, IF
ONLY YOU KNOW WHAT,

IF YOU EVEN DIDN’T HAVE
THOSE FACTS,

I DON’T SEE HOW A
FOUR-YEAR-OLD COULD

IMAGINE WHAT YOU HAVE TOLD
ME,

EVEN IF YOU DIDN’T HAVE
THAT VERIFICATION.

WE HAVE NEVER
BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE

LITTLE BOY WHOSE PARENTS
DID THE LITTLE BOY

TELL HER ANYTHING ELSE
ABOUT THE SITUATION?

YES, HE SAID THAT
HE HAD BEEN MEAN TO KIDS

AT SCHOOL, AND THAT WHEN
THE ACCIDENT HAPPENED HE

HAD A STAKE THROUGH HIS
THROAT AND HE COULDN’T

SPEAK VERY WELL, BUT HE
WAS TRYING TO SAY GOD

FORGIVE ME FOR BEING MEAN
TO THE KIDS AT SCHOOL.

SO AS YOUNG AS HE WAS AND
HE WAS ONLY FOUR AND A

HALF WHEN HE DIED, HE KNEW
HIS HEART NEEDED TO TURN

TO GOD EVEN AS HE KNEW HE
WAS DYING HE ASKED GOD TO

FORGIVE HIM FOR BEING MEAN
TO KIDS AT SCHOOL.

NOT THAT HE WOULD HAVE
GONE,

HE WOULD HAVE GONE TO
HEAVEN ANYWAY,

BUT HE KNEW HIS HEART HAD
TO TURN TO GOD AT THAT

MOMENT AND THEN THE ANGELS
TOOK HIM ON UP TO HEAVEN.

NOW YOU TOLD ME
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS

INTERESTING THAT BY YOUR
SWIMMING POOL PEOPLE

REPORT SEEING ANGELS NOW.

YES, THERE IS A
LIFEGUARD ANGEL THAT IS AT

THIS DIVING BOARD ALL THE
TIME NOW,

HE IS VERY LARGE,
SOMETIMES I CAN SEE HIM

PRETTY CLEARLY, I CAN SEE
LIKE BREASTPLATES,

BROWN, LIKE CHEST PLATE ON
HIM,

I HAVE SEEN HIM VERY WELL,
BUT OTHER PEOPLE CAN TOO,

WHEN YOU STEP OUT OUR
GLASS SLIDING DOOR,

AND LOOK TOWARD OUR GLASS
SLIDING DOOR,

THE SLIDING BOARD, YOU AN
SEE LIKE A MIST,

IN THE SHAPE OF AN ANGEL,
THAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH

IT, BUT YOU CAN CLEARLY
SEE HIM,

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THE
BARS ON THE SLIDING BOARD

WILL REFLECT IN HIS BODY,
YOU CAN SEE THEM REFLECT

SEVERAL TIMES UP IN HIS
BODY,

THERE IS NO REASON FOR
THEM TO REFLECT,

THERE IS NOTHING TO
REFLECT THERE.

WELL, I ALSO
UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR

GRANDDAUGHTER VICTORIA
GOES TO HEAVEN OFTEN.

YES, SHE DOES, IN
FACT SHE SAID WHEN SHE

DOESN’T GO TO HEAVEN,
HEAVEN COMES DOWN TO HER.

WHAT DOES SHE MEAN BY
THAT?

SHE CAN OFTEN
JUST LOOK UP AND SEE GOD

AND JESUS JUST RIGHT
THERE.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT
WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS

VERY HARD FOR A LOT OF OUR
VIEWERS TO BELIEVE,

I BET IT WAS HARD FOR YOU,
WHAT CONVINCED YOU?

A LOT OF TIMES I
HAVE DOUBT,

BUT IT, I’M ALWAYS
CONVINCED BECAUSE THERE IS

NO WAY SHE WOULD KNOW WHAT
SHE KNOWS,

WHEN I, SHE IS A VERY
NORMAL CHILD,

WHEN I ASK HER WHAT SHE
DOES WHEN SHE GOES OUT TO

PLAY, IF SHE CAN ALWAYS
LOOK UP AND SEE GOD THERE,

SHE SAYS SHE JUST DOESN’T
LOOK UP,

SHE HAS TO KEEP HER HEAD
WHERE SHE CAN’T SEE HIM SO

SHE CAN JUST BE NORMAL AND
PLAY BECAUSE A LOT OF

TIMES ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS
GLANCE UP AND SEE JESUS OR

GOD.

AND I TELL HER DON’T GO
OUT TO THE ROAD,

I DON’T WANT YOU OUTSIDE
BY YOURSELF,

SHE SAID I’M NEVER BY
MYSELF,

JESUS IS ALWAYS WITH ME.

YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVED
IN THE BOOK ABOUT WHEN SHE

SAT IN GOD’S LAP, I DON’T
KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I WOULD

LIKE TO SIT IN GOD’S LAP.

WELL, SHE HAD
SEEN GOD AT THE BABY PLACE

AND JESUS AND HER FAMILY
BUT WHEN JESUS AND HER,

AT THE END, STARTED INTO
THE THRONE ROOM BY

THEMSELVES TO GO AND TELL
GOD BYE BECAUSE SHE WAS

GOING TO COME BACK, WELL
JESUS WANTED HER TO STAY,

BUT WHEN SHE ENTERED THE
THRONE ROOM SHE WAS AFRAID

OF THE LIVING CREATURES,
SHE SAW THINGS WITH LOTS

OF EYES AND THEY MADE LOTS
OF NOISE AND THEY SCARED

HER, BUT ONCE THEY GOT
PAST THAT,

GOD MOTIONED HER TO COME
TO HIM AND SHE RAN TO HIM

AND HE ALLOWED HER TO
CLIMB UP HIS LEG AND

ACROSS HIS LAP INTO HIS
LAP AND SHE NOW THESE

LIVING CREATURES ARE
DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE IN

THE THRONE ROOM, HOW WAS
HER DESCRIPTION COMPARED

TO THE BIBLE DESCRIPTION?

WELL, SHE NOW
CALLS THEM THE FOUR FACES,

BUT THE FIRST SHE SAID
WHEN SHE WAS VERY SMALL,

SHE WAS ONLY FIVE WHEN SHE
SAID THEY HAVE LOTS OF

FACES ON THEIR FACE, AND
SHE SAID THEY HAVE LOTS OF

WINGS, THEY HAVE LOTS OF
EYES ON THEM,

AND THEIR LEGS GO DOWN
STRAIGHT AND THEY DON’T

HAVE TOES LIKE US.

HOW COULD SHE HAVE
KNOWN THIS?

HOW COULD A FOUR-YEAR-OLD
HAVE KNOWN ANYTHING LIKE

THIS?

YOU KNOW MARY JO, IT’S, IF
YOU JUST OPEN YOUR BIBLE

AND YOU TURN TO EZEKIEL
THE FIRST CHAPTER,

AND YOU READ THIS
FOUR-YEAR-OLDS ACCOUNT OF

WHAT HAPPENED IN HER BOOK,
IT IS JUST LIKE THE BIBLE,

SHE EVEN TALKS ABOUT
SEEING THE LION WITH THE

WHISKERS BUT SHE SEES
SOMETHING IN HEAVEN THAT

THERE IS NO WAY SHE COULD
HAVE KNOWN THAT HAPPENED

TO MAJO MANY YEARS AGO,
WHICH REVOLUTIONIZED MARY

JO’S LIFE

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