On this episode of Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural, after predicting when the last pope would resign, Tom Horn has more to share. This time, it’s the end times and science converging with the supernatural. And it reads like the Book of Revelation.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here.
Welcome Welcome to my world
where it’s naturally
supernatural.
My guest died at age 21, went to
Heaven, had downloaded into his
spirit information that he would
need the rest of his life and
he’s starting to reveal this
information.
First thing he revealed is he
announced before it happened
that the pope would resign, the
exact year he would resign and
the exact month he would resign.
Now God has unraveled to him
information involving the End
Times, science and the
supernatural all coming together
and it reads like the Book of
Revelation.
Is there a supernatural
dimension?
a world beyond the one we know?
Is there
life after death?
Do angels exist?
Can our dreams contain messages
from Heaven?
Can we tap into ancient secrets
of the supernatural?
Are healing miracles real?
Sid Roth has spent over 35 years
researching the strange world of
the supernatural.
Join Sid for this edition of
It’s Supernatural!
Sid: I do supernatural shows.
But I mean, this show is, if the
edge is here, it’s way down
there.
So we have Tom Horn, who many of
you are familiar with, and Tom
is a tremendous Bible teacher, a
prophesy expert.
And we also have Sharon Gilbert.
She’s the scientist in the
group.
She’s a molecular biologist and
an expert in prophecy.
Sharon, let me start with you.
So how does the science and
prophecy merge?
How do they come together?
Sharon: Well it’s all over the
Bible.
But honestly, my feeling is if
you don’t understand prophecy
first, you don’t study the
Bible, know exactly what the
Lord has done in the past and
what he’s told us what he’s
going to do now and in the very
near future, it’s clear that
there’s a lot of science
involved.
Mankind is going to change in
some way.
And if you go back to the Book
of Genesis and Genesis 6, we
know that there was an incursion
that altered man’s DNA.
That may have been done through
direct intervention by fallen
angels.
Now human beings are, for
whatever reason, being led to do
something very similar.
It’s very important that we
understand the science.
Sid: But you know what, here’s
what I see as I’m reading these
notes is yes, the science is
doing these things, but the same
evil supernatural that did this
stuff just before the Flood to
human kind, it’s going to be
intermingled with this so called
science.
Tom Horn, how long have you been
researching this stuff?
Tom: Oh well, it started
probably about ten years ago,
but in earnest about five years
ago.
Sid: What is transhumanism?
Tom: Transhumanism is the idea
that we are now at a point in
our technological development
that we can use very powerful
emerging fields of technology
like genetics, robotics,
artificial intelligence,
nanotechnology, cybernetics, all
the kind of stuff that maybe
we’ll get to talk about today.
But we’re going to use them to
take mankind into the next step
in our evolution.
Transhumanism believes that we
no longer have to wait on this
very slow gradual process of
Darwinian evolution, which might
require hundreds of thousands of
years or millions of years if
you by that idea, and many of
them do because many of them are
atheists, that we don’t have to
wait any longer.
Now we can take the bull by the
horns.
We can start modifying
ourselves.
We can create Homo sapien 2.0,
right, a better version of
humanity that God made, and that
really, in a nutshell, is the
idea behind transhumanism.
Sid: Let’s define some terms.
Tom: Okay.
Sid: Germ line editing, what is
that?
Tom: Germ line editing actually
has the potential to fulfill
what the early eugenics movement
wanted to do, in that when you
make modifications to your
genetics at the germ line level,
this is the earliest level,
sperm, eggs, very early embryos,
it becomes a permanent part of
the genetic makeup and it will
be passed forward to all future
generations.
So if you start making germ line
modification, especially if
you’re using transgenic
sciences, now here again, you
might be surprised to know that
right here at North Carolina at
your university they have what’s
called a transgenic lab.
Sid: Which means?
Tom: Which means that they have
mice that are part human,
humanized mice.
Sid: Really?
Tom: Transgenic animals and you
can go there and purchase those
in order to do experiments.
Maybe you’re wanting to test a
new drug therapy or whatever and
you can’t get a license from the
FDA to test it on a human.
So you get a transgenic animal
that’s got human material in it,
you test it on that and you see
if the human parts of that
animal are responding.
Sid: You know, but it’s one
thing to experiment with
animals.
It’s another thing to experiment
with humans.
Sharon: Most of these scientists
don’t see you and I, and Tom as
any different from any other
animals.
They see human beings as part of
an animal evolutionary process.
They’re wrong, but that’s how
they see us.
Sid: Well this is going to
create, just as we have so many
divisions in America, racial
divisions, political divisions,
there’s going to be a big divide
on this, divide between
Christians that understand what
you’re saying and saying the
average public that says, oh,
they’re going to cure cancer.
Do it.
Tom: Yes.
That bothers me much less than
the divide that is coming when
we start talking about war
fighters who are something like
a werewolf.
And that may sound so
outlandish, so astonishing as to
be unbelievable, and yet it is
exactly what the top advisory
panels in the world are
communicating right now to our
Department of Defense and so on.
DARPA, the Defense Advanced
Research Projects Agencies,
presidentially approved a
budget, which people can look up
and read for themselves, has
tens of millions of dollars in
it for creating a new genetic
blueprint for humanity.
So this is already being
budgeted in the United States
military.
Sid: You know what this sounds
like, but it’s a spin you’ve
never heard before.
It sounds like we are told in
the Bible it will be like the
days of Noah.
We focused on other things like
the days of Noah.
But you why it was the days of
Noah?
Do you know why God had the
Flood?
The same thing was going on.
We’ll be right back.
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Sid: Okay Tom, I brought up a
subject, right, the days of
Noah.
What do you see that means based
on everything you know?
Tom: The days of Noah, well
certainly, first of all for
those that may not know, this is
from when our Lord’s closest
disciples, in Matthew 24, they
go to him and they say, “Lord,
tell us,” now this is the upside
to this, right, “what shall be
the sign of thy coming and of
the end of the aeon?” That’s the
hallelujah side of what we’re
talking about here.
Right?
Sid: The end of the age.
Tom: Yes.
And he gives them a list of
things that are going to come
and then he concludes by saying,
“As it was in the days of Noah
so should it also be in the
coming of the Son of Man.” So
what was going on in the days of
Noah?
Well what we do know is that
around the world, this story is
consistent.
We get it from the Hebrew Bible
and that’s the authoritative
text.
Right?
If the rest of the world
disagreed I wouldn’t care.
Right?
I got it from the Bible.
But in fact, every ancient
culture that had any methodology
for keeping records told the
story of the time when the gods,
the pagans called them, when the
gods came down to the earth and
they took wives.
You know, the Egyptians talk
about this.
The Greeks talk about Zeus
coming down and marrying a
woman.
Sid: And we chalk it up
mythology, not really true.
Tom: Well, the point is they
were all telling an ancient
consistent story that does
harmonize with what the Bible
and the contemporary books of
the Bible that are sometimes,
like the Book of Enoch, which
was quoted by Peter and Jude in
New Testament, and actually the
parts that Peter and Jude are
quoting in the New Testament are
taken from this very story.
Those angels, which kept not
their first estate, that’s the
story.
They came down to the earth and
they viewed genetics as a
methodology for them to
incarnate themselves in a new
form of humanity, an illegal
form of half man, half something
else, right, and immediately
came under judgment.
And brother, does it raise all
kinds of ethical questions
because people are asking us
today, at what point do you
genetically modify a human so
that it’s questionable about
whether they even have a soul?
I don’t even want to think about
that question.
Right.
I don’t want to think about
that.
Sid: That begs the question.
Someone that is messed with
their genes, can they then be
saved?
Tom: It’s a scary thought.
I frankly don’t even want to
think about the fact that we are
budgeting right now to begin
this kind of research on some of
our, and they’ll volunteer,
volunteer soldiers who will
volunteer to have their genetic
material altered so that they
can be experiments on the
battlefield.
But our military at every
branch, the Department of
Defense, the Pentagon, DARPA,
all of them have published
public records recently in which
they have said whether we like
this or not we have to go down
this road because if we don’t,
those who already are developing
the technology are going to use
it to dominate us on the
battlefield.
So people are looking forward to
what they’re calling the
technological singularity, and
that’s a phrase that a famous
transhumanist and futurist by
the name of Ray Kurzweil made
famous.
Most people know him.
He wrote the book, “The Age of
Spiritual Machines”.
And he originally prognosticated
that by the year 2045, AI would
become immortal.
It will become a synthetic
deity.
It will become a synthetic god.
Sid: Artificial Intelligence.
Tom: Yes.
Sid: AI will become a substitute
for God.
Tom: And that’s, to answer your
question, how does this seem
like the days of Noah?
Because for the first time since
the Great Flood, we have
intentionally set course to
repeat what history only says
ever happened once before and it
led to the Great Flood.
It led to the destruction.
But there are leading
transhumanists in the world that
are excited about the
possibility that by changing our
brain chemistry and our genetic
makeup we can put ourself into
contact with what Christians
call the supernatural realm.
Leading transhumanist Nick
Bostrom is one of the most
famous transhumanists in the
world, teaches at Oxford
University, earned his Ph.D.
by writing his thesis on
transhumanist values.
And go to his website and read
his own paper where he says, by
combining ourself with the
animal kingdom, we will begin
opening modes of perception
because serpents can see into
areas of the life spectrum using
infrared, which we cannot see.
You know, bats can fly using
sonar.
Dolphins can hear at 80,000
hertz.
And so they’re seeing all these
as kind of super human benefits
that we could acquire.
But he mentions opening a door,
too, to maybe some other
intelligence that is there, and
there are transhumanists.
By the way, there’s now a
Christian transhumanist society.
There’s a Mormon transhumanist
society.
And at Arizona State University
they have been funding a whole
series, the Templeton
Foundation, on what’s called
transhumanism and religion,
talking about how transhumanism
is going to modify what we think
we know about God.
Sid: Hold that thought.
When we come back, this is
recent, although some of this is
just off of the press, things
that are going on just in the
last few months that verify what
he’s saying, and much worse.
Be right back.
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Sid: Okay.
I have some of these recent
reports here which are amazing
to me.
Something called the Washington
Summit, they voted for
something.
Tell me about that.
Tom: Yes.
Well actually that goes again to
this CRISPR-Cas9 technology.
We’re almost at a point of point
and click, you know, almost like
using a mouse to make
modification to human genes.
And it’s almost like if you’ve
used a word processor and you
have the find and replace key,
and you know how you can say,
find the word “you” and replace
it with the word “your”, or
whatever, and you hit that and
it goes through the whole
document.
Well CRISPR-Cas9 is kind of like
that.
It’s designed, go into the DNA
strands, find a particular
genetic series of numbers, clip
it out like a pair of high tech
scissors and replace it with new
genetic information and put the
strands back together.
Sid: You have that machine with
you.
Show me it.
Is it called the CRISPR machine?
Tom: Yes.
Sharon: It’s just a little kit.
Tom: Yes.
So imagine that the world right
now is in an uproar over a
science kit no bigger than that.
Sid: Small.
Tom: Yes.
And again, she can explain how
it works.
But here’s what you should know.
That technology can accomplish
what the eugenicists of the
early century wanted to do.
That technology is being used
right now to rewrite human
genetic makeup at the germ line
level.
Imagine if the Antichrist has
his hands on this kind of
technology.
Maybe that explains why with
such impunity people are
beheaded and killed, treated
like animals during the great
tribulation period because they
have literally engineered an
army of individuals who are not
like you and I.
Sid: We’ve seen like the ISIS
people cutting off heads, and I
say to myself when I see that,
how could a human do that?
Tom: Right.
Sid: Well you’ve just answered
how a human can do that.
Tom: Right.
Sid: It’s not a human.
Tom: And by the way, one reason
why I brought this with me is to
make the point that if Tom Horn,
an old fat preacher, can get his
hands on advanced CRISPR Cas9 G
knockout kit, you better believe
that terrorists have their hands
on this technology.
Sid: Wow.
Now you sent my staff a picture
of something called a digital
tattoo.
Tom: Oh yes.
Sid: Explain what that is.
Tom: Well I actually brought
them with me right here.
This is ten flexible tattoos.
I can take one of those and I
put it on the backside of the
palm of my hand or on my hand,
and I take my Smart Phone and I
tap it to that tattoo.
What it does is it authenticates
me by causing that to create a
vein pattern, a blood vein
pattern in my hand, which then
becomes my biometric marker.
Sid: So you may not be able to
buy or sell unless you do that,
according to the book I read.
Tom: Actually, the REAL ID Act,
which anybody can read about
right now, here in the United
States is calling for a
biometric identification system
before you can enter into any
federal building.
It’s the kind of technology
they’re talking about to secure
the borders.
It’s the kind of technology for
boarding a plane.
Sid: How does this tie in with
things that we read in the Book
of Revelation, like the beast?
Tom: Right.
First of all, remember what it
says: “And he had power to give
life unto the image of the
beast.” I think that the
technological singularity might
actually be the moment when we
give life to the image of the
beast because the moment when
the AI develops a conscious,
when suddenly it thinks it is an
I AM that I AM.
Sid: You’re saying when a
machine thinks that it’s real?
Tom: Yes.
Sid: Can think for itself?
Tom: Yes.
Sharon: It becomes sentient and
then there’s, even beyond that,
a super AI.
Tom: Yes.
Sharon: And that is the AI.
Sid: Artificial intelligence,
AI.
Sharon: Yes.
Tom: Hugo de Garis, who is one
of the most famous
transhumanists in the world, he
believes that we are very close
now to that I AM that I AM
moment.
Sid: So what you’re saying
though is that a machine that’s
been built to help humanity will
become a new form of humanity.
There are many true Bible
believers that are watching us.
Tom: Yes.
Sid: I want you to look into the
camera and tell them what to do
about this.
Tom: Okay.
I will tell them to do.
Get at least a basic knowledge
about the genetics revolution,
about biotechnology and then
don’t forget this.
Don’t forget to pray.
I always say this because I
often imagine my little
grandmother from many years ago
sitting in a room saying, it’s
so far above my head, I can’t
really understand this, I don’t
have the money to buy the
product.
I’m not going, I’m crippled and
I can’t go to church to be a
part of the Sunday school class.
Don’t forget to pray.
During, you know, during the
time that the reformers were
being persecuted, Mary Queen of
Scot said she feared the prayers
of John Knox more than all the
armies of England.
So don’t forget that prayer does
change things.
Sharon: Amen.
Amen.
Sid: And don’t forget this.
Right.
The move of God that I see and
that Tom sees, and many of my
friends see, it’s actually upon
us right now.
We’re coming into a time where I
want to take my TV cameras in a
hospital of veterans without
limbs and I want, in the name of
Jesus, the entire missing limb
to just grow right out, and I
want that to be on the six p.m.,
seven p.m.
news.
You pick it.
I want God to show up and show
off that there’s no time for
this nonsense that the devil is
trying to undermine all of
humanity.
You know, the devil is dumb.
He doesn’t know about one
believer that’s walking in the
power of God and It’s
Supernatural is raising up an
army of believers that are
walking in the supernatural of
God.
And whether you know it or not,
you’re one.
Sharon: Amen.
Sid: But you’re not just alone.
The Creator of the universe
lives in you and he’s going to
start giving you revelation of
the Word of God, and you are
going to start doing the same
things Jesus did and ever
greater.
So I commission you, raise your
head, don’t be fearful and
charge!
Sid: Next week on
It’s Supernatural!
Is it possible with some of the
things that you’re going through
that it is going to result in
you walking in miracles?
My guest says yes and she has
the miracles to prove it.
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