Perry Stone reveals mysteries about heaven on this episode of Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural! When Perry Stone was just 16, someone challenged him about whether Heaven was real. That day, he began to study. These days, scholars say Perry teaches the mysteries of heaven and life-after-death like no one else!
Is there a supernatural
dimension?
a world beyond the one we know?
Is there
life after death?
Do angels exist?
Can our dreams contain messages
from Heaven?
Can we tap into ancient secrets
of the supernatural?
Are healing miracles real?
Sid Roth has spent over 35 years
researching the strange world of
the supernatural.
Join Sid for this edition of
It’s Supernatural!
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here.
Welcome to my world where it’s
naturally supernatural.
My guest Perry Stone, since age
16, has been studying Heaven,
End Times.
He has spent well over 100,000
hours and he has come up with
revelations that as far as
scholars are concerned, no one
has ever come up with before
about Heaven and End Times.
He even has come up with a
revelation about the 2016
presidential election.
Anyone interested?
You know, when I found out that
Perry Stone was working on the
subject of Heaven and New
Jerusalem, I got so excited.
I can’t even tell you why I got
so excited, but I got so excited
I had to have him on this show.
But I’m told an event occurred
when you were 16 years of age
that started you on this quest.
Perry: Salem High School, it was
a high school in southern
Virginia, a boy came up to me at
16 years of age, I was 16, and I
was preaching at that time just
as a kid preacher.
And I had a big Bible with me,
and he said, “Preacher man, what
are you going to do when you die
and find out there’s not a
Heaven?” I was always real quick
to answer and I said, “Jimmy,
what you gonna do when you die
and find out there’s a hell?”
And then, but what happened is
it stirred and I thought, how
would I prove to somebody, kind
of more from a scientific
perspective that there is a
place called Heaven.
And so that’s what really
started my journey and it was
just, it’s been exciting to,
even over the years, even
recently to add more to what God
showed me.
Sid: You got revelations.
We’re going to share some of
them.
But here’s what I want you to
help me with and I think you’re
going to help a lot of other
people.
Take me, very briefly, on a
prophetic timeline starting
where we are right now.
Perry: Okay.
Right now we’re in the church
age, which is called the
dispensation of the grace of
God.
It will continue and climax at
the time of the Rapture.
Now I lean toward pre-trib
because of a lot of research
over the years that we have
done.
Now let’s just assume this is
correct.
Then what we have at that point
is a tribulation period, which
in Daniel 9:27 is set for seven
years.
It’s divided into 42 months and
42 months.
And what would happen is the
return of the Lord, and I like
to say for the overcoming saints
who are looking for him.
When that happens, it triggers a
time of tribulation on the
earth, which is a total of seven
years.
During the seven years the
saints will begin having,
getting rewards and also we will
enjoy what’s called a Marriage
Supper of the Lamb during the
seven years in Heaven.
On Earth, there is judgment,
there’s the revelation of the
Antichrist, there’s the Mark of
the Beast.
There’s a lot of population of
the earth that is eliminated by,
some of it’s just natural
calamities, asteroids,
earthquakes, etc. We come to the
end of the tribulation.
We have the Lord returning,
Revelation 19 says, “On a white
horse is King of King and Lord
of Lords.” And then he sets up
his kingdom in Jerusalem for a
thousand years.
That’s where we get the word
“millennial reign”.
That’s a thousand.
And during that thousand years
the saints of God are going to
rule on Earth with him for a
thousand years.
At the end of it, Satan is
loosed for a season.
Now the only reason he loosed,
Sid, because this has perplexed
people, why don’t God keep him
bound?
Because in the millennial reign
there will be people on Earth
who will continue to repopulate
the earth that have never
tempted, tested or tried by
Satan.
So God is going to let earthly
people who are living in the
tribulation, who have survived
being repopulated to be tested
to see if they’re going to be
faithful to the Lord or follow
Satan.
That’s the last test.
Then when that is over, the
Bible tells us there’s a Great
White Throne of Judgment in
Heaven and then Satan is bound
forever in the lake of fire,
which is going to be a
tremendous day for everyone who
is a believer, of course.
The new Heaven and new Earth
come down after the Great White
Throne of Judgment.
This judgment, every single
angel that’s fallen, Satan
himself, plus all saints, all
unbelievers, all are in Heaven
at one time.
Now we’ve already been judged as
believers as the judgment seat
of Christ.
Okay.
That’s in Revelation, Chapter
11.
But the world and the sinners
have not been judged.
God is never going to condemn
anyone to an eternity without
him, in let’s say the lake of
fire, without them absolutely
seeing and knowing the reason
why.
That’s why there’s a Great White
Throne of Judgment.
Sid: You know, Perry, you teach
on the mysteries, on locking the
mysteries of Heaven, past,
present and future.
Explain.
Perry: The Holy Spirit put
something together for me that I
had never heard taught in my
life.
I believe it can be proven, from
Ezekiel 28, from the Book of
Revelation, from Isaiah 14, that
Lucifer, who we know is Satan,
before he fell, was assisting
God in the building of the New
Jerusalem.
The fall of Lucifer took place
before the New Jerusalem was
completed, and I’ll get into
that later.
Now that’s called the ages past.
Creation as we know it with man
is 6000.
What a lot of people don’t
realize is there’s what’s called
ages past, and ages past was,
okay, when was Lucifer created,
when were the angels created.
He was in Heaven as a cherub
before he fell.
When was that?
When did the rebellion take
place where he took a third of
the angels and they fell with
him?
That’s the ages past part.
In fact, I’m going to throw a
nugget out here to all your
folks.
In the Bible it says Hell was
prepared for the devil and his
angels, but when was Hell
prepared?
Scientists say that the earth
was one time molten fire and
water cool, and that’s how the
process began.
In Genesis 1:1, the earth is
created perfect.
You studied Hebrew.
You know that, “In the beginning
God created the Heaven and the
Earth.” The tense there is
complete perfection, like a
perfect, it’s done.
Sid: Right.
Perry: Verse 2, “Everything is
without form and void.” The fall
of Lucifer happened between
Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 in
ages past.
Sid: So in ages past there is a
gap and we don’t even know how
long that was.
Perry: Thank you.
That’s exactly what I’m saying.
We don’t know how long the gap
is.
And that explains, if I can, the
controversy as to why Christians
say there’s a 6000-year old
earth, scientists say it’s a
four billion-year old earth.
Sid: There’s an answer to
everything.
Perry: There absolutely is an
answer if we understand the fall
of Lucifer and the gap in
Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, and the
timeframe there.
Sid: Let’s go to some basics.
Perry: Yes.
Sid: Where is Heaven located?
Perry: If you look at Isaiah,
Chapter 14, Satan says, “I will
descend into Heaven above the
stars of God and above the
clouds in the sides of the
north.” The northern part of
Heaven is very unique because
there’s a star there called the
North Star or Polaris, which
sits just a little bit off of
true north.
Anytime you needed direction you
had to find the North Star.
Anytime a ship needed direction
you find the North Star.
It’s the directional star.
What is interesting, Job said,
“God stretches the north over
the empty place, but he hangs
the earth on nothing.” Two
scientific facts there, this
what I learned when I was 16.
One is the earth is hanging on
nothing, but what’s this thing
about the north being an empty
place?
I have a friend of mine, I have
several friends who work for
NASA and they say it’s really
true that in the northern part
of the heavens there is an empty
place and there’s a gap.
It’s just an empty, a darkness,
a gap.
All right.
The Bible indicates that.
North is the only place where
you look really true up.
All right.
So Heaven is in the north.
Now number two, Isaiah said, it
was Satan talking, but Isaiah
wrote it, “I’ll send above the
clouds, above the stars in the
sides to the north.” That’s
three heavens.
Paul in Second Corinthians..
Sid: I heard about
Second Heaven. How
many heavens are
there? Perry: The Bible
tells you of three.
There are three heavens and the
Bible indicates specifically
what those three are: clouds,
stars then the end of the stars,
that begins the Third Heaven,
and that’s where God dwells is
in the Third Heaven.
Sid: And where does the devil
dwell and his demons?
Perry: Let me say it this way.
Adam was given dominion over the
fowls of the air.
The birds if you ever see them
fly in the sky near the clouds,
so Adam, man has dominion of the
First Heaven.
That’s why we have airplanes
that aren’t falling out of the
sky.
The devil is not knocking
airplanes out of the sky.
We can fly.
We have dominion.
We have satellites.
Number two, however, is Satan
rules in the realm of the Second
Heaven.
Principalities, rulers of
darkness in high places are in
Second Heaven.
Third Heaven is where God rules.
So it’s interesting how that
between where we are to where
God is we have this spiritual
warfare going on.
Here’s the part that just
absolutely stuns me.
I love this part.
Jesus, when he returns, doesn’t
come back up in the stars, and
we have to meet him where the
stars are.
He comes right back into Satan’s
territory and snatches us out so
fast that the enemy doesn’t even
know it’s happened until it’s
over with.
Sid: I’m going to tell you
something.
I want you to talk about never
revealed.
No scholars have ever heard
this.
Revelations, you have God about
the mountain in Heaven, the
stones in Heaven, about Lucifer.
We’ll be right back.
Sid: Perry, tell me about the
earliest stages of creating the
heavens and the earth.
Perry: Okay.
In the beginning of time, and
I’m going to, let me just read
this verse because this is our
foundational verse.
God says to this person, “You
have been in Eden, the Garden of
God.
Every precious stone was your
covering.
The sardius topaz, diamond
barrel onyx, jasper sapphire,
emerald, carbuncle and gold, the
workmanship of your tabrets and
pipes was prepared in the day
that thou was created.
Thou are the anointed cherub
that covereth.” And he says
this, “I have set thee so upon
the Holy Mountain of God and
you’ve walked up and down in the
midst of the stones of fire.
You were perfect in your ways
until inequity was found in you
and then the heart was lifted up
because of thy beauty.” Now
there’s a couple things here.
Number one, it mentions the
Mountain of God.
This is not Jerusalem.
This is the heavenly mountain
where God dwells.
Number two, it mentions Eden.
Now people assume this is the
Garden of Eden.
This is not the Garden of Eden.
There is a heavenly paradise or
a heavenly Eden just like there
was an earthly Eden.
All right.
Number three, now this is the
part that puzzled me for years.
This is where it starts making
sense.
“You are the anointed cherub.”
This is a cherub that’s
anointed.
No other angel is called
anointed by this angel right
here.
The thing that really got me
was, “You have walked up and
down in the midst of the stones
of fire.” So let me tell you how
this happened.
So I’m with a guy in Texas, a
pastor in Texas who works with
gemstones, and he says to me, he
says this, “You know every
gemstone is formed in fire.”
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Sid: Mountain of fire, psalms of
fire.
Perry: Thank you.
Then I go to this Jewish
translation of the Bible, and I
apologize for not giving you
which one it is, because there’s
many translations, and it says,
“You walked up and down in the
gemstones of fire.” I go, whoa,
whoa, whoa.
Now then I’m thinking, okay,
this is Satan.
This is a picture.
Most scholars will agree this is
Satan.
Pipes, he was a worship leader
because pipes were created in
the same, but it’s got nine
stones.
Now here’s what’s odd.
These same stones are the same
nine that are also part of the
12 stones on the breastplate of
the priest in Exodus.
These nine stones are also, Sid,
and this is where the triggering
came, this is where it starts
clicking, nine of the 12 stones
in the city New Jerusalem.
Sid: So when you have 12 stones
on the breastplate.
Perry: That’s right.
Sid: When we have, in New
Jerusalem there’s 12 stones.
So come Satan only had nine?
Perry: That’s what got me asking
this.
All right.
Then I realized this.
Every precious stone is your
covering.
Now I used to think he had a
breastplate with nine stones.
That’s how I took this, because
I’m thinking, okay, this is
similar.
Wait a minute, but it doesn’t
say anything.
It just says it was your
covering.
And I’m thinking that word in
Hebrew, “cover”, what’s it mean?
Okay, watch this.
It means there were gemstones on
fingers, gemstones on his arm,
gemstones on his, but wait a
minute, he’s only got nine.
Why nine?
You ready?
Because Satan was the one, this
angel was walking up and down in
the midst of the stones of fire
preparing the stones for the
holy city New Jerusalem.
Watch this.
Every time a floor, first floor,
second floor is completed, God
allows him to be covered by that
gemstone.
But do you know what stones are
missing from him?
Sid: No.
Perry: You ready?
The last three stories of the
New Jerusalem.
I hear them go “oh” in the
audience.
They’re getting.
He fell from Heaven and was cast
out between the ninth and tenth
story being completed.
He completed the ninth, but he
never, now why?
Because he was lifted up because
of his beauty.
Sid: This show is a little
different because we previously
got our people from Facebook to
write in questions that they
had.
They came up with some great
questions.
Why don’t you give us a
question.
Audience member: The first
question is what will we
remember in Heaven?
Perry: Now the Bible says this,
it says, “The former things will
not be remembered and will come
into remembrance,” which
presents problems.
Does that mean that all of our
loved ones that are in Heaven we
don’t remember?
The answer is we know our loved
ones in Heaven because Paul
said, “We’ll be known even as we
were known.” I’ll know that’s
mom, I’ll know that’s dad, my
brother and sister.
Now the reason the former things
will not be remembered is
because if people we knew did
not make it, how would Heaven be
delightful?
If you have children that didn’t
make.
So I don’t know how God does
this, but if God, this is what
he told me, he said, “Son, if
I’m able to look at a person and
they ask me for forgiveness of
sins and I can erase their sins
and never bring them up or
remember them, I can do the same
thing with people’s past.” So in
other words, there will come a
point, because it says, “No more
tears will come in your eyes.”
At some point everything about
anything negative, anything that
happened in your life bad and
the people who didn’t make it
will not be remembered.
Sid: You had another question.
Audience member: It’s actually a
long question, a very good
question.
You talked about the link
between Satan being cast out of
Heaven during the construction
of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Why would this cause such hatred
for Israel and Jerusalem today?
Perry: I’m going to compare it
to a pair, like a story.
Sid: It has to be a short
answer.
Perry: Okay.
If I worked for a major
corporation and I was the CEO
over the whole thing and they
booted me out because of
something I did wrong, if I
didn’t take the right attitude I
could cause a rebellion in the
company and I would hate that
company the rest of my life.
His hatred for Jerusalem is a
continual reminder of his
failure.
Sid: When we come back I want to
find out what happens in this
New Jerusalem, what our job is
going to be.
What happens when we’re in
Heaven?
What is our job?
Are we going to work?
Are we going to go to school?
What are we going to do?
Don’t go away.
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Sid: What is the
millennium and is there a job
assignment or we just have
regular jobs like we always do.
Perry: Let’s explain this.
When we come back from Heaven,
in Revelation 19, with Christ,
we will come back and rule with
him for 1000 years.
Now people have this real
misconception of what the
millennium is.
They think we just kind of float
around, we kind of chill out, we
go the mountain, the city, we
lay around and drink a soda and
hey man, everything is cool.
What happens is Jesus said it
this way, “Because you’ve been
faithful over little things I’ll
make you ruler over many.”
Basically kings, priests and
rulers is our position.
That’s pretty remarkable to
think about.
Sid: Now every presidential
election, recently, God has
spoken and advanced you who
would be president.
Perry: Since the ’90s, I do
studies from the Hebraic
perspective on numbers, and you
know this, and I have so much
fun with this.
I did something very different
I’ve never done before.
I went to President 43, 44 and
45 and I said this in President
44, I said, 44 is division.
Now I’m telling this.
I don’t know who he is or she
is, whoever.
I said but the 44 is double
division.
And I said you’re going to see
the country split right down
middle.
Now I’m saying all this, you
know, I’m saying to myself, God,
trust me, after me telling
people it was God’s will for
Bush to be president, when he
won I got a relief because they
would have stoned me for being a
false prophet.
I got on TV and told it.
Okay now, let me go back to this
real quick while it’s on my
mine.
So I started looking at number
45.
You all ready for this?
This is crazy.
If you take the 40 and the 5 in
the Hebrew alphabet it’s Ma, not
mom, but Ma.
Do you know what the word Ma
means?
What.
Sid: What.
Perry: It means “what”.
Here’s what’s going to happen.
Everybody mark this down.
Whoever gets in people are going
to say, “What?!” That’s what
they’re going to say.
Remember.
What?!
How did this happen?
What?
What is going on?
What?!
Watch it.
And so I will say this.
I will say this and I’m not
going to name them because I get
a boldness when I sense the
anointing, but I also have
learned to restrain.
Four years ago I saw a man and
God spoke to me and said, “I am
going to raise this man up to be
a leader.” Now I will not name
because this stuff goes
everywhere and then people copy
it and they paste, and people,
if they don’t like the person
they’re calling my office and
cussing my office staff out.
I’m serious.
People are crazy.
It is possible he will be a vice
presidential candidate, and if
he is there is no doubt in my
mind that person will win if
that person is selected.
Very strong Christian.
That’s all I’m going to say.
There’s other things I could
say.
But I believe this is the person
who’s supposed to come on the
ticket.
Now I’m not going to name who it
is.
Now I may tell you privately so
if this happens.
Sid: You already have.
Perry: Yes, okay.
Did I really?
Oh boy.
See, I learned to keep my mouth
shut.
Sid: Perry, Jesus went away to
enable us to have access into
the Kingdom and there’s
something called the Lamb’s Book
of Life.
What is that?
Perry: Lamb’s Book of Life is
what I call the registry to give
you access to eternity in the
New Jerusalem.
To get in that book of life you
have to be born again, you have
to have a redemptive covenant
with Jesus Christ.
Sid: If you sincerely say the
prayer I’m going to lead you in
right now and you mean it to the
best of your ability, you will
not have to look back and you
will not have to wonder.
I want to see that your name is
inscribed in the Lamb’s Book of
Life for sure.
Perry: Yes, yes, yes.
Sid: So repeat this after me,
even if you’ve been a believer
30 years, 50 years.
Let’s reestablish who you are.
Repeat after me.
Dear God.
Audience: Dear God.
Sid: I’m a sinner.
Audience: I’m a sinner.
Sid: Against you.
Audience: Against you.
Sid: And you alone have I
sinned.
Audience: And you alone have I
sinned.
Sid: And I’m so sorry.
Audience: And I’m so sorry.
Sid: I believe.
Audience: I believe.
Sid: That Jesus came to Earth.
Audience: That Jesus came to
Earth.
Sid: He lives sinless.
Audience: He lives sinless.
Sid: He died.
Audience: He died.
Sid: He was buried.
Audience: He was buried.
Sid: He rose from the dead.
Audience: He rose from the dead.
Sid: And because he did that.
Audience: And because he did
that.
Sid: He paid the price for every
bad thing I’ve ever done.
Audience: He paid the price for
every bad thing I’ve ever done.
Sid: And his precious blood.
Audience: And his precious
blood.
Sid: Washed away my sins.
Audience: Washed away my sins.
Sid: God, I’ve repented.
Audience: God, I’ve repented.
Sid: And I thank you.
You’re a good God.
Audience: And I thank you.
You’re a good God.
Sid: And I am clean.
Audience: And I am clean.
Sid: Because of the blood of
Jesus.
Audience: Because of the blood
of Jesus.
Sid: Thank you, Jesus.
Audience: Thank you, Jesus.
Sid: And now that I’m clean.
Audience: And now that I’m
clean.
Sid: I boldly proclaim.
Audience: I boldly proclaim.
Sid: Jesus is my Lord.
Audience: Jesus is my Lord.
Sid: Lord Jesus.
Audience: Lord Jesus.
Sid: Come inside of me.
Audience: Come inside of me.
Sid: O I love you, Lord.
Audience: O I love you, Lord.
Sid: I thank you that my name.
Audience: I thank you that name.
Sid: Is inscribed in the Lamb’s
Book of Life.
Audience: Is inscribed in the
Lamb’s Book of Life.
Sid: Amen.
Audience: Amen.
Sid: Thank you Jesus!
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