What does the Bible say about spiritual gifts and the leadership of the Holy Spirit in our lives? Joyce Meyer and Ginger Stache talk candidly about the supernatural on this episode of Enjoying Everyday Life.
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when you’re born again you receive the
holy spirit
you can’t you know you’re baptized into
the body of christ
by the holy spirit you can’t receive
jesus and not receive the holy spirit
because
they’re all one one god
three persons and um which is
supernatural and it’s
yeah but yeah you can’t figure that one
out and so
um supernatural i think just basically
means it’s things beyond what a natural
person
could do
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ginger and i will candidly talk about
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we can live
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joyce there is some sort of i
need or interest in people about the
supernatural yeah
so i would love for us to talk today
about the supernatural
is that something that you had an
interest in at any point in your life
well i think that i was hungry
for the supernatural i don’t know that
we always know what it is that we’re
hungry for
and supernatural doesn’t mean weird
spooky
you’re not talking about fortune tellers
and
things like that god does
things that are beyond the natural yeah
what i call it is super
dash natural well let me ask you about
that though because
yes that that’s who god is
but sometimes that interest takes people
to that other side of what you’re
talking about well yeah i was
because i was hungry for the
supernatural for
to see some of the things that we see
jesus did
in the new testament you know the
healings the
casting out of demons the the things
that
that paul talked about yeah speaking in
tongues
the just the miracles that they saw
and you know you hear all kinds of
things well that went away with the
early church and
you know it’s amazing the things that we
believe without even checking them out
for ourselves but
because i was hungry and i wasn’t
getting what i needed
from the church the enemy stepped in and
tried to bring some deception into my
life i was working
with a girl that was very much into
astrology not astronomy the study of the
stars but
charting her life by the stars
and i know there are a lot of people
yeah a lot of people are that do that
but it’s against the word of god there’s
nowhere in the bible that it tells us to
plan our future based on the stars i
mean god wants us to come to him for
advice
not yeah not the stars and uh
but i mean she just lived her whole life
by that i mean she didn’t even get a
haircut unless the stars lined up
and so she wanted to
do my astrology chart which i didn’t
even
know what that meant but i was starting
to get interested
when thankfully god interrupted the
enemy’s plan
and he touched my life and this was back
in the 70s there was a
great outpouring a revival type
outpouring of the holy spirit
all across the earth not just one
denomination but
it couldn’t be denied because it was
everywhere and people were being
touched by god filled with the spirit
baptized in the holy spirit however you
want to put it different people
talk about it in different ways i always
my my thought is is that when you’re
born again you receive
the holy spirit you can’t you know
you’re baptized into the body of christ
by the holy spirit you can’t receive
jesus and not receive the holy spirit
because
they’re all one one god
three persons yeah and um which is
supernatural in itself yeah but yeah you
can’t figure that one out and so
um supernatural i think just basically
means it’s things beyond what a natural
person
could do yeah and um
we were just we were so hungry
for those things and god touched my life
whether you want to say he filled me or
baptized me but i think that we receive
the holy spirit or we’re baptized in the
spirit
when we’re born again but that doesn’t
necessarily mean that you’re filled with
something
and the way that i like to say it is you
can have the holy spirit but does he
have you
and so i’d like to read this scripture
god brought this to my mind this morning
and i had them printed out for me romans
12
1 in the amplified i appeal to you
therefore brethren
and i beg of you in view of all the
mercies of
god to make a decisive dedication of
your bodies
now that’s something i have to do i have
to make
a decision that i’m going to dedicate
everything about me to god not just
45 minutes or an hour on sunday morning
or not just praying a desperate prayer
when i need help
but that i’m going to live for
jesus and for his glory
and so i just have to get bold enough to
say
to our viewers are you doing that
is jesus a sideline in your life or is
he the main line
in your life paul said for me to live is
christ
to die is gain and in him i live and
move and have
my being and so i wonder sometimes
in the church world today if
people are being taught strong enough
messages about dedication and
surrendering your life to god and living
for him and
using your will to choose his will and
not just always trying to get god to do
what you want
but i love the amplified because it
breaks it down it says presenting
all your members and faculties so what
is that
my mind my mouth my thoughts
my attitude my finances my talents
whatever any area of my life that i’m
holding back
from god is one that the holy spirit
can’t fill
and so um i was just actually reading a
book i
am in the middle of reading a book by
billy graham and
i’m actually reading several books right
now not all at the same time but i have
several books
on the holy spirit i just i i feel like
we need a fresh
outpouring of the holy spirit and
i want to stay as full of the spirit as
i can and
and yeah for my anointing on my life to
be as strong as it possibly can be
and so i think that to study in the area
that you want help in
is very wise but billy graham said that
you know he believes that you’re
baptized by the spirit when you’re born
again into the body of christ
but that there are fillings and many
fillings
because the bible says to stay filled
with the holy spirit and there were many
times
even after the day of pentecost when the
holy spirit fell on
the 120 that waited in the upper room
when when they would be
filled with the holy spirit you know
back in the old testament the holy
spirit would come on people
for certain tasks or
jobs that god gave them to do but he
didn’t live in them
my gosh we’ve got it so much better
because jesus said
you’re going to be better when i go away
because if i don’t then the holy spirit
can’t come
and he has been with you but he will be
in you
so the holy spirit
which is already supernatural how do you
think about that
lives in us and how do you how do you
even
how do you work that out in your head
right you know yeah but
god’s spirit dwells in us and we are
amazing our greatest goals should be to
be led
and guided by the holy spirit
god’s not calling us to run our own
lives yes we have free choice
he doesn’t want a bunch of robots that
have no choice but to do what he wants
but he wants us to surrender our will
and to do what we know we should do not
be saying well i know i shouldn’t do
this but
and how many times do we say that well i
know i shouldn’t do this but
i know i shouldn’t probably see this
movie but i know i shouldn’t eat this
but
i know i should exercise but you know
and the holy spirit helps us with all
right i know i should apologize but well
if you’re
following the holy spirit then you’re
not going to do
what you want to do because you’ve
already dedicated all these parts
of yourself to him yeah and
that’s when life can really really
really get good and it goes on to say
be devoted and consecrated and live a
life that’s well pleasing to god
which is your reasonable rational
intelligent service and spiritual
worship
so he’s saying it’s not unreasonable
for me to ask you to dedicate every
single
part of yourself in your life to me now
gee we could stop right there and just
have a ten part series
because how many people right now i mean
is your entertainment devoted to god
are your friendships devoted to god
is your conversation devoted to god
are you know are your thoughts
devoted to god how quick do we obey god
when we know he’s asking us to do
something
or do we need 25 confirmations and
you know other things and paul talks
about
the gifts of the spirit there are
supernatural gifts
of the spirit that are available to us
and the bible even tells us to covet
them
and covet is a strong word that almost
means like to lust after
i mean he wants us to really want
these supernatural endowments of power
which is what it is
who wouldn’t want that you know i want
to be filled with the spirit
because that enables me to do
what i do with ease my goodness i
couldn’t imagine trying to do
what we’re doing and i know people
probably don’t
understand this but when we get on here
to do stuff like this
i don’t know ahead of time i mean i know
what we’re going to talk about
but i don’t have a plan i don’t have a
message put together i’m trusting god
to supernaturally bring out of me the
right answers
and to bring out of me what people that
are watching
need right well i don’t know who’s
watching but god does yeah
and he can answer questions for them
that i wouldn’t even
know how to answer so we need to be
filled and and refilled i always say the
world can suck everything out of you in
one day
so i think even to pray every morning
god fill me with your spirit
fill me i want to be full completely
full
of the holy spirit so maybe there are
people watching that have never asked
god to fill them with the spirit
and i suggest that you start there and
then ask
god to give you and to use you
in the supernatural gifts of the holy
spirit and
there’s many gifts teaching is a gift
organization is a gift
business is a gift giving is a gift
there’s a lot of different kinds of
gifts
but paul talks about what i would call
some of these more
supernatural gifts and he says to each
one
so that means everyone is given
the manifestation of the spirit for the
common good
so they’re for the good and the prophet
of all
they’re not to show out or to say look
what i can do
but they’re for the good of all and i
don’t think the gifts of the spirit are
given just so somebody can
show out the church service i think that
you know obviously the gifts can
function in a church service
but i think that they’re more for our
everyday
ordinary life so this natural life
becomes a super
natural life to one is given
through the spirit the utterance of
wisdom are a word of wisdom
to another a word of knowledge by the
same spirit it’s one spirit
but he functions in different ways so
let’s talk about a word of knowledge i
believe that i have that functioning in
my life
all the time and i’m sure you’ve
experienced this i can’t
i’ve misplaced something i don’t know
where it’s at and i’m
frantically trying to find it in the
house well i’ve learned now to stop and
say holy spirit would you show me where
that’s at yeah
and i can’t even tell you how many times
i’ll get like a picture
in my mind of where that thing is me too
and go and it’s right there yeah or our
word of wisdom
knowing what you should do in a
situation
when there’s no real natural you don’t
have any natural
information but you just know what god
wants you to do
and so that knowing is a supernatural
gift from god and that’s
most of the time how god speaks to us
through just knowing
to another faith by the same spirit to
another gifts of healing
well what is this gift of faith we all
have faith to every man is given a
measure of faith
the bible says so what then is the gift
of faith
well that’s to have faith beyond reason
faith that you wouldn’t ordinarily be
able to have
a supernatural faith yeah a supernatural
faith i never really got it until a
friend of mine one time
we were talking about the ministry and
uh i mean this thing that god
has done through us it’s totally
impossible
in the natural i mean i don’t even know
how to tell people how impossible it is
you know i had no training to do this no
schooling to do this
i’ve never taken one class in public
speaking
i didn’t even do that good in english
when i was in school
and yet i’m speaking to people all over
the world through television and all
these other different
things every day and we didn’t have
a lot of training and leadership or our
management
and yet we have almost 500 people
working for us and
several different foreign offices and
it’s god
see when you open yourself up to god he
can flow through
you and enable you to do things that you
couldn’t ordinarily do
and of course the amount of money that
we need to
run the ministry is just it’s beyond my
thinking
i don’t i don’t even really get into it
because it would scare me silly
and a friend of mine who’s also a
minister said to me one day don’t you
realize
that god has given you a gift of faith
for this ministry because i look back
and i think
how did i have the courage
yeah to step out and even think
that i could do this there there would
have been no reason at all for me to
think that i could do something
like this i mean back when i started not
that many women even
right taught the word or preached and it
wasn’t very popular
and i had to pay the price for a lot of
the decisions that i
made like being asked to leave my church
and losing friends and different things
like that
so sometimes when it’s so
easy for you to believe something and it
seems so hard for somebody else
maybe instead of getting a prideful
spirit thinking well i don’t know why
you know you need to realize that maybe
you’re functioning under a gift of faith
yeah and instead of judging other people
you need to pray for them and uh to
another the working of miracles to
another prophecy and and prophecy
is not normally in the new testament for
telling the future
so much as it is encouragement
and encouraging words for people or you
might get a sensing of what somebody’s
going to do in their future
but i always caution people to be
careful about saying
god told me to tell you i think
that’s an area where people can can get
hurt
and that’s where all of this comes into
balance yeah epic and that’s one of the
reasons why people are afraid of the
supernatural right
because they’ve seen excesses i heard
one man say one time back in the
revival in the 70s he said well i’d
rather have a little wildfire than no
fire at all
and and we need it we need a balance we
need
a move of the spirit in our churches
a supernatural move the spirit but we
also need the steadiness the stableness
of the word of god yeah
and here again this is where you get in
trouble you either
don’t have the spirit and everything’s
dry or you have the spirit and ignore
the word and then it just gets out of
balance
and out of hand and so balance is so
important
um the ability to distinguish between
good and evil spirits the discerning of
spirits
if you’re functioning with that gift
you’ll know if somebody
is evil or if they’re good or if they
have an evil intent
or if it’s somebody you need to be
careful of because they’re dangerous
and how many times even like in hiring
people have i looked at an application
that i mean i don’t do this anymore but
in the beginning
and the person looks perfect on paper
and yet i just don’t feel
right about them and you know like most
people you think well
that’s that’s got to just be me maybe
there’s something about this person i
just don’t like
you know because they’ve got all the
qualifications they’ve got the
experience they’ve
on and on and on but invariably if i’ve
done that
then eventually that person ended up
causing trouble
and i should have listened to the
leadership of the holy spirit
and then there’s tongues and
interpretation of tongues
and it’s interesting that that one gift
although it’s the last one on the list
and that doesn’t mean that it’s
the least worthwhile but the church has
fought over that
right more than any of the other gifts
yeah
and we just need understanding and we
need
teaching and i believe that we all
really
need and want the supernatural
and the best thing i can tell you is to
study
first of all read what the word of god
says about it
you know people just like oh man you
know those people that speak in tongues
they’re weird and i’m not you know
stay away from them and yet the apostle
paul said
i wish that you all spoke in tongues and
he said
i thank god that i speak in tongues more
than all of you do
not not everybody receives the same
gifts and we acknowledge that
but don’t be afraid of the gifts of the
spirit and
so i don’t want to leave you like i kind
of feel like with the amount of time we
have that i’ve just kind of opened up
this big thing
but here’s the thing i want people to
start praying
that god will teach them and lead them
in this area that god will use you in
the gifts of the spirit
and give those gifts to you so your
natural life can become
super natural and when you get sick
don’t just run first for the medicine
pray
pray that god will heal you and he may
do it supernaturally
or he may do it through medicine i
believe that all
healing comes from god yeah and so today
you’ve got to be careful even by what
kind of medicine you take or
or you know what kind of medical advice
that you seek because not everything is
good so even in that we need discernment
we need those words of wisdom and words
of knowledge and
the way these things begin to function
in our life is through
making them a matter of prayer and
through desiring them
instead of just ignoring them
and we do have a couple of
resources available if people want to
call and ask what they are i wrote a
book
quite a while ago on intimacy with god
and i talk about all the fruit of the
spirit in there and i also talk about
the gifts of the spirit
and then we’ve got a little book about
being baptized in the holy spirit
and begin to pray that god will fill you
with his spirit don’t be satisfied to
just
try to make it on your own but ask
for and receive that fullness of the
holy spirit but just remember
in order for god to fill something it’s
got to be empty
get yourself out of the way so we have
to be empty of self
in order for god to do the filling so
so the supernatural it seems like it’s
something that people either
crave and run to or are very afraid of
and we we need to seek god’s word and
seek his
face yeah in all of this that balance
is something that we can only find in
christ right we we can’t do it on our
own it’s that emptying ourself out so
that he can fill us up
and don’t be in a big hurry and be
careful
when you start praying for supernatural
things the devil would love to
oh yeah show you a few tricks show you a
few tricks and so you got to make
you know pray that the holy spirit will
will really guide you and let you know
what is what is right and what isn’t but
i just believe if you’re really hungry
for more of god
and you start telling him that and you
start praying to learn in these areas
and
look up all the scriptures read the book
of acts
i mean what happened to the book of acts
i mean do we really think
that we don’t need as much power as they
needed
i mean our world is in a mess today i
mean a huge mess
and we need all the supernatural divine
help
that we can possibly get because nobody
the problems we have today are not going
to be fixed by the government they’re
only going to be fixed
by god and us turning to god and making
right decisions and doing
you know the things that we need to do
boy that’s so true
thank you let’s all be hungry for more
of god
and less of ourselves
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well i hope you enjoyed the program
today and i hope it’s made you
hungry to know more about the holy
spirit
i want to pray for every one of you
right now father we want to thank you
for the holy spirit what a wonderful
gift what a privilege to have him living
on the inside of us
as your children and i pray lord that
you would
teach everyone about the holy spirit
that you would lead them to the right
places in the word
to the right books give them more
understanding
and help them not to be afraid of the
supernatural just because
they may not understand everything about
it
and i pray lord that you would fill each
and every person
with the holy spirit and that you would
keep us filled because we need
all of his presence and power that we
can possibly have
in our lives thank you so much in jesus
name
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natural life
very few days go by that i don’t thank
god for letting me teach the word
and yes it’s been a lot of hard work and
probably wanted to give up
a million times in the process and you
know when you’re in the public eye like
we are you
you get judged you get criticized you
have you know people that aren’t so kind
but in the
even with all that we’ve met so many
amazingly
wonderful people whose lives have been
changed by the word that
you know the few who cause you problems
are really nothing compared to all the
ones that
that you get to help and so you know our
desire
is is to continue doing what we’re doing
in some form or fashion
until jesus takes us home people ask all
the time are you thinking about retiring
or when you’re going to retire and
i i don’t know how you retire from a
call on your life it’s not like
not like having a job and so now at
certain age you retire i mean i just
want to do
i mean we have to make changes we have
to keep making adjustments
you know can’t work as hard as we used
to don’t don’t need to
don’t want to i always say i don’t work
harder i work smarter
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