The Power Of Thankfulness | Joyce Meyer’s Talk It Out Podcast | Episode 78

Two words hold the power to shift your perspective in nearly any situation, even when life throws you curveballs. What are they? Thank you. Listen in as Joyce joins Ginger, Jai and Erin to unpack practical ways to harness the power of staying grateful. You’ll chuckle when they share some of their funnier examples (like when Joyce lost her pants at the spa ?) and discover the way to unlock greater peace than you ever thought possible.

JOYCE: IT MEANS THAT
IF YOU ARE NOT PRAY–

IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING A LIFE
OF GRATITUDE, THEN YOUR PRAYERS

HAVE NO POWER BEHIND THEM.

[MUSIC]

GINGER: HI, EVERYONE!

WELCOME TO JOYCE MEYER’S
TALK IT OUT PODCAST.

YOU ARE IN THE PERFECT
PLACE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE

JOYCE TEACHES THE WORD
OF GOD IN HER PRACTICAL,

WONDERFUL WAY, AND MY FRIENDS
AND I TALK ABOUT THE REAL

STUFF OF LIVING IT.

I’M GINGER STACHE,
WITH ERIN CLULEY, AND JAI.

AND OF COURSE,
JOYCE IS ONE OF THE GIRLS, TOO.

SO, SHE DROPS IN HERE,
TALKS ABOUT LIFE WITH US.

JOYCE: THEY FINALLY LET
ME BE PART OF THE TEAM.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: TOOK A LITTLE WHILE.

GINGER: WE’RE SO HAPPY.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST
TALKING HAIR A LITTLE BIT.

EARLIER, WE WERE DOING SOME
VIDEOS AND JOYCE CAME IN,

AND SAID, ABOUT JAI’S HAIR
THAT IT’S DIFFERENT EVERY

TIME THAT SHE SEES IT.

WHICH THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT WE LOVE ABOUT–

JOYCE: SO, IT’S NOT REAL
HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHY, RIGHT?

JAI: SHE SAYS THIS LIKE–
I REMEMBER LIKE,

EIGHT YEARS AGO,
I WAS AT THE DREAM CENTER.

AND I REMEMBER YOU WALKED
IN YOU WERE LIKE, “UGH.”

EVERY TIME YOU DID LIKE THIS,
“HOW LONG IS THIS

ONE GONNA LAST?”
I’M LIKE, “I DON’T KNOW.”

BUT THEN TODAY,
WE WERE DOING THE VIDEO

AND SHE’S LIKE–
JOYCE: I THINK, I USED

TO THINK IT WAS REAL
AND YOU WERE JUST CUTTING IT.

JAI: BUT SOMETIMES IT WAS,
THOUGH, BECAUSE I HAVE

INCHES TOO.

GINGER: YEAH, YOU NEVER KNOW.

JAI: YOU NEVER KNOW.

JOYCE: BUT THEN,
IF I’M IN HERE TWO WEEKS

AGO AND YOU HAVE THIS
SUPER SHORT HAIR…

JAI: YEAH, I LOOK LIKE YOU.

JOYCE: YEAH, AND THEN,
I COME BACK TODAY,

NOBODY’S HAIR GROWS THAT FAST.

JAI: AND I LOOK
LIKE RAPUNZEL.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: SO, JOYCE BROUGHT
UP THE FACT THAT MAYBE

WE SHOULD ALL GO SHOPPING
BECAUSE YOU WOULD LIKE

TO TRY SOME DIFFERENT THINGS.

JOYCE: WELL,
I’VE GONE SHOPPING,

TRIED ON WIGS, AND I JUST
LOOK STUPID IN ‘EM, SO.

JAI: NOTHING WOULD MAKE
ME HAPPIER THAN TO HAVE YOU ALL,

LIKE, EMBRACE MY WORLD OF HAIR,
AND WIGS, AND WEAVES.

GINGER: I WOULD LOVE IT.

JAI: IT WOULD JUST
MAKE ME SO HAPPY.

ERIN: I WANNA SEE
JOYCE IN THIS THOUGH.

JOYCE: I’M SURE THE GUY
OVER THERE TAKING PICTURES

OF EVERYTHING WE DO WOULD
LOVE TO BE ON THAT TRIP.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT.

CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN, PLEASE?

GINGER: I LOVE THE IDEA.

WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WELL, JOYCE, LAST WEEK–
OR LAST EPISODE, WE HAD

A WONDERFUL COMPLAINT SESSION.

SO, ESSENTIALLY, WE COMPLAINED
ABOUT MANY, MANY THINGS.

JOYCE: AWW.

GINGER: NOT EVERYTHING.

THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT
WE COULD HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT.

JOYCE: IT’S A GOOD THING
I WASN’T HERE FOR THAT ONE.

GINGER: WELL,
YOU ACTUALLY INSPIRED US.

NOT BY YOUR COMPLAINING,
BUT BY–

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: HOW COULD
I INSPIRE YOU TO COMPLAIN?

GINGER: IT’S BECAUSE–
IT’S JUST STUFF THAT

WE ALL THINK.

AND SO, WE WANTED TO TALK
ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.

INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING,
HOW DO YOU TURN IT,

TAKE IT SOMEWHERE POSITIVE?

AND SO, THIS GOES HAND
IN HAND WITH IT SO BEAUTIFULLY.

JOYCE HAS A NEW
BOOK OUT CALLED,

“THE POWER OF THANK YOU.”
AND WE’RE GONNA TALK ABOUT

WHY THOSE TWO LITTLE WORDS
“THANK YOU” ARE SO POWERFUL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
YOU SAY IS THAT YOU CAN TURN

YOUR COMPLAINTS INTO GRATITUDE.

JOYCE: YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE PEOPLE–

I JUST HEARD THIS FROM
SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT IT’S SO TRUE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
THAT NEVER SEE WHAT THEY HAVE,

OR WHAT SOMEONE
IS DOING FOR THEM.

THEY ONLY SEE WHAT THEY DON’T
HAVE AND WHAT SOMEONE’S

NOT DOING FOR THEM.

ACTUALLY, SOMEONE WAS TELLING
ME THIS ABOUT SOMEBODY

IN THEIR FAMILY THAT
THEY ACTUALLY REALLY,

REALLY DO A LOT FOR.

BUT THEY NEVER COMMENT
ABOUT THAT, IT’S ONLY WHAT

THEY’RE NOT DOING.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT’S A SHAME
WHEN PEOPLE LIVE THAT WAY,

THAT THEY’RE NOT THANKFUL.

BECAUSE BEING THANKFUL,
ACTUALLY REALLY INCREASES

YOUR JOY, IT INCREASES
OTHER PEOPLE’S JOY.

IT REALLY OPENS THE DOOR
FOR GOD TO WORK IN YOUR LIFE.

THERE’S A SCRIPTURE
IN PSALM 104 THAT SAYS,

“WE ENTER HIS GATES
WITH THANKSGIVING.”

SO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT,
YOU CAN’T EVEN GET INTO

THE PRESENCE OF GOD
UNLESS YOU’RE THANKFUL.

GINGER: THAT’S STARTLING.

JOYCE: YOU CAN’T–
YOU CAN’T EVEN GET IN THE GATE,

IF YOU’RE NOT THANKFUL.

IT SO AFFECTS OUR PRAYER LIFE.

I MEAN, WHY SHOULD GOD GIVE
US ANYTHING MORE IF WE’RE

ALREADY COMPLAINING
ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE?

GINGER: YEAH, WELL,
I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.

I THINK WE SHOULD JUMP
RIGHT INTO THAT BECAUSE

IT’S SUCH A STRONG THING.

I THINK IT’S REALLY EASY FOR
PEOPLE TO OVERLOOK GRATITUDE,

ALMOST BRUSH IT OFF.

OR THE IMPORTANCE
OF THOSE WORDS, “THANK YOU.”

SO, WHAT YOU’RE SAYING–
JOYCE: WELL, OR A LOT

OF PEOPLE THINK THEY
ARE THANKFUL.

THEY THINK THAT,
“WELL, I’M A THANKFUL PERSON.”

BUT THE BIBLE SAYS,
“BE THANKFUL AND SAY SO.”

SO, HOW MANY PEOPLE
NEVER SAY SO?

JAI: AND THAT’S NOT JUST
TO GOD, IT’S JUST TO PEOPLE.

CUZ IN MY SELF-REFLECTION,
LIKE, POST-DIVORCE, YOU KNOW,

DOESN’T JUSTIFY WHAT HAPPENED
AND HOW MY MARRIAGE ENDED

AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF,
BUT IN MY SELF-REFLECTION

ON WHAT DID I CONTRIBUTE
TO THE MARRIAGE FAILING?

BUT BECAUSE–
I KNOW THAT BEFORE

THE INFIDELITY HAPPENED,
SOMETHING WAS BROKEN

IN THE MARRIAGE TO ALLOW
IT TO GO THERE.

THAT DOESN’T JUSTIFY IT.

BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED,
YOU KNOW?

AND SO, I WANNA OWN MY PART
SO THAT WHEN GOD–

I SAID WHEN CUZ SOMETHING’S
GOING TO HAPPEN.

I’M GOING–I’M–I’M GOING
TO HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT THIS,

YOU KNOW.

BUT LIKE, I HAVE TO OWN MY PART.

AND I REALIZE THAT I WASN’T
AS GRATEFUL TO HIM AS I SHOULD–

I DIDN’T EXPRESS IT VERBALLY.

BECAUSE IT WAS SO EASY
TO NITPICK ON LIKE,

WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT
LAST WEEK WITH THE COMPLAINTS.

IT’S SO EASY TO NITPICK
ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT,
“FIX YOUR OWN LUNCH,

DO ALL YOUR OWN–”
NOW, GRANT YOU,

THAT STUFF STILL
NEEDED TO HAPPEN, BUT–

ERIN: YEAH, STILL MAKE
YOUR LUNCH.

JAI: BUT, “STILL MAKE YOUR
OWN MUCH, SIR.”

BUT I DIDN’T THANK HIM
FOR SOME OF THE STUFF…

[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
BUT THE STUFF THAT HE DID DO,

I DIDN’T THANK HIM, VERBALLY.

SO, LIKE–
GINGER: AND IT’S SO EASY.

I MEAN, WE ALL FIND
OURSELVES THERE.

BECAUSE IT’S JUST DAILY
LIFE AND WE OVERLOOK

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

ERIN: ESPECIALLY, THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU’RE CLOSEST TO.

YOU GET IN A ROUTINE WITH THEM,
AND YOU–IT’S EASY TO TAKE

‘EM FOR GRANTED.

SO, THAT’S HUGE.

JOYCE: WE’RE REALLY
BAD ABOUT TAKING PEOPLE

AND THINGS FOR GRANTED
THAT WE HAVE ALL THE TIME.

ERIN: YEAH.

JOYCE: AND THERE ARE
PROBABLY, NO TELLING,

HOW MANY DIVORCES THERE
ARE JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE

DON’T SHOW APPRECIATION
TO THE PERSON

THEY’RE MARRIED TO,
FOR WHAT THEY DO.

BUT THEY HAVE NO TROUBLE
COMPLAINING ABOUT

WHAT THEY DON’T DO.

ERIN: I REMEMBER,
LAST YEAR, WHEN I WAS–

WHEN WE WERE WORKING
THROUGH SOME STUFF.

I COULD MAKE A LIST FIVE PAGES
LONG OF ALL THE REASONS

WHY I DID NOT LIKE MIKE.

AND THERE WAS MAYBE
TWO OF WHY I DID.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: BUT GOD REALLY
SHOWED ME–

GINGER: TWO PAGES
OR TWO ITEMS?

ERIN: IT DOESN’T–
DOES IT MATTER?

WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
WE’RE GRATEFUL FOR.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: OK, GOOD POINT.

JOYCE: I THOUGHT YOU
SAID THERE WERE 82 THINGS.

I THOUGHT, “MAN, YOU REALLY
DO HAVE A PROBLEM.”

ERIN: NO, BUT AFTER HEARING
YOU TALK ABOUT THIS,

AND GOD REALLY SPOKE
TO MY HEART, LIKE,

“ERIN, YOU REALLY NEED
TO FLIP THAT SCRIPT.

START WRITING DOWN
ALL THE REASONS WHY

YOU CHOSE HIM,”
AND BECAUSE–

TAKING THINGS FOR GRANTED.

AND IT WAS MIRACULOUS
HOW MUCH THAT CHANGED

MY PERSPECTIVE.

HE’S NOT THE ENEMY.

MAYBE, I JUST NEED
TO ADJUST MY THOUGHTS.

SO, YEAH, IT CHANGED EVERYTHING.

JOYCE: I DID THAT
ONE TIME TOO.

GOD HAD ME DO THAT LIKE,
I WAS, [NAGGING SOUNDS]

ABOUT DAVE, AND,
“HE DOESN’T DO THIS,

AND HE DOESN’T DO THAT.”
AND GOD TOLD ME TO WRITE

DOWN EVERYTHING ABOUT
HIM THAT I LIKED,

AND EVERYTHING
THAT I DIDN’T LIKE.

AND IT WAS AMAZING,
WHEN I GOT DONE,

THERE WAS MAYBE THREE THINGS
THAT REALLY BUGGED ME.

AND THE LIST OF THINGS THAT
I LOVED AND APPRECIATED,

WAS REALLY LONG.

ERIN: YEAH.

JOYCE: HE’S JUST SO EASY
TO GET ALONG WITH,

AND, YOU KNOW, HE GIVES
ME A LOT OF FREEDOM.

HE’S ALWAYS COMPLIMENTARY.

THERE’S SO MANY GOOD THINGS.

AND THEN, “WHEN HE PLAYS
TOO MUCH GOLF,

[NAGGING SOUNDS].”
AND IT’S SO TRUE.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
WATCHING TODAY,

THAT YOUR MARRIAGE
COULD BE SAVED…

LADIES: ABSOLUTELY,
ABSOLUTELY.

JOYCE: IF YOU WOULD HEAR WHAT
WE’RE SAYING TODAY AND STOP

LOOKING AT WHAT’S WRONG,
BECAUSE THERE’S STUFF

WRONG WITH YOU TOO.

JAI: YEAH, 100%.

JOYCE: THAT’S THE THING,
YOU KNOW.

ERIN: I WOULDN’T WANNA
SEE HIS LIST OF THE REASONS

WHY I’M NOT GREAT.

JOYCE: IS THERE ANY MORE
WRONG WITH ANYBODY ELSE

THAN THERE IS WRONG WITH US?

ERIN: RIGHT.

JOYCE: BUT WE DON’T.

JAI: WE DON’T WANT
TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

ISN’T IT CRAZY HOW SATAN LIKE,
MAGNIFIES THAT–THE–AND IT

MAKES THAT THE FOCAL POINT?

ERIN: ALL YOU SEE.

JAI: YEAH,
THAT’S ALL YOU SEE.

IT’S JUST–IT’S SO LIKE
STRATEGIC ON HIS PART

TO TEAR FAMILIES APART
AND TEAR RELATIONSHIPS–

EVEN WITH LIKE, FRIENDSHIPS.

THOSE LITTLE BITTY THINGS ARE
THE THINGS THAT GET MAGNIFIED

INSTEAD OF JUST–YOU KNOW,
BUT THE SMALL THINGS,

IT’S SO EASY TO OVERPASS
THE GOOD THINGS,

YOU KNOW, SO, YEAH.

JOYCE: NOW,
YOU SAID THE LAST SHOW,

YOU TALKED ABOUT COMPLAINING.

SO, ONE OF THE GOOD
THINGS ABOUT BEING GRATEFUL

IS IF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT
YOU HAVE TO BE GRATEFUL FOR,

THERE’S NO ROOM
FOR THE COMPLAINING.

JAI: YEAH, THAT’S GOOD.

JOYCE: YOU CAN’T.

IT CAN’T GET IN THERE.

GINGER: BECAUSE YOU CAN’T
DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

JOYCE: ‘CAUSE YOU CAN’T
DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, IT SAYS IN PHILIPPIANS 4:6,
“DO NOT BE ANXIOUS

ABOUT ANYTHING.”
ERIN: YEAH, IT’S A GOOD ONE.

GINGER: [LAUGHING]
THAT FACE.

JAI: LOVE THAT FACE.

GINGER: BUT WE ALL FEEL
THAT FACE.

ERIN: THANKS FOR MAKING
THAT FACE CUZ I RELATE.

GINGER: YEAH,
THAT MEANS A LOT TO US.

JOYCE: “BUT IN EVERY
SITUATION–”

UNDERLINE “EVERY.”
“BY PRAYER AND PETITION–”

WE HAVE NO TROUBLE PRAYING,
TELLING GOD WHAT WE WANT.

“WITH THANKSGIVING,
PRESENT YOUR REQUESTS TO GOD.”

NOW, I USED TO THINK,
A LONG TIME AGO, THAT,

THAT MEANT THAT YOU SHOULD
START THANKING GOD, LIKE,

AHEAD OF TIME FOR GIVING YOU
WHAT YOU WERE ASKING HIM TO DO.

YOU KNOW, LIKE,
“LORD, I NEED A NEW CAR.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING IT TO ME.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING IT TO ME.”
THAT KIND OF STUFF.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IT MEANS.

IT MEANS THAT IF YOU
ARE NOT PRAY–

IF YOU ARE NOT LIVING
A LIFE OF GRATITUDE,

THEN YOUR PRAYERS HAVE
NO POWER BEHIND THEM.

ERIN: OH, INTERESTING.

JOYCE: THAT’S WHY,
“THANK YOU,” WHEN YOU REALLY

ARE GRATEFUL, IT IS POWERFUL.

IT IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL.

JAI: IT’S A LIFESTYLE.

JOYCE: IT’S LIKE, IT PUSHES
YOUR PRAYERS THROUGH.

GINGER: SO, SOME PEOPLE
ARE SAYING, “IF I’M NOT THANKING

GOD FOR ANSWERS THAT
I HAVEN’T GOT YET,

WHAT AM I THANKING HIM
FOR AND ESPECIALLY WHEN

THINGS DON’T LOOK SO GOOD?”
SO, WHERE DO WE FIND

THAT GRATITUDE THAT
MAKES SUCH A DIFFERENCE?

JOYCE: EVERYBODY HAS
THINGS TO BE THANKFUL FOR.

I DON’T CARE WHO YOU ARE.

I MEAN, THIS WEEK,
I DON’T KNOW WHY, IN PARTICULAR,

BUT ONE MORNING WHEN I GOT UP,
MY HOUSE IS NICE AND WARM,

AND I SLEPT REALLY GOOD,
AND TURNED MY FIREPLACE ON,

TURNED MY CHRISTMAS TREE ON,
AND GOT MY COFFEE,

AND I STARTED THINKING ABOUT
PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS.

AND I THOUGHT,
“MAN, THANK YOU FOR MY BED.

MY MATTRESS.

CLEAN WATER.

THANK YOU FOR MY COFFEE POT.”
YOU KNOW,

THEY DON’T GET TO GET UP,
PLUG IN THEIR COFFEE POT.

AND YOU KNOW,
THERE MAY BE A LOT OF PEOPLE

IN THAT CONDITION THAT
WOULDN’T HAVE TO BE IF THEY

WOULD DO SOMETHING ELSE,
BUT THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE

WHO REALLY CAN’T HELP IT.

AND THERE’S–
THERE’S EVEN A LOT OF PEOPLE

THAT ARE NOT MENTALLY SOUND,
THAT ARE LIVING ON THE STREETS.

AND SO, IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE,
YOU HAVE SOMETHING

TO BE THANKFUL FOR.

IF YOU HAVE A BED,
YOU HAVE SOMETHING

TO BE THANKFUL FOR.

WE REALLY TAKE THOSE
THINGS FOR GRANTED.

ERIN: ONE THING THAT
I’VE LOVED WATCHING

WHILE WORKING HERE,
THE TRIPS THAT YOU GUYS

HAVE TAKEN INTERNATIONALLY,
AND THEN, WHEN MIKE

USED TO TRAVEL,
HE WOULD COME HOME

TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS
THAT YOU GUYS WOULD MEET.

AND ONE STORY, IN PARTICULAR,
I WON’T FORGET IT BECAUSE

HE SAID THEY WERE TIRED.

THEY WERE DONE FOR THE DAY.

BUT THEY WERE PLAYING SOCCER
WITH A BUNCH OF LITTLE KIDS,

AND THE KIDS LOVED IT.

AND IT JUST, LIKE,
THEY WERE LAUGHING AND PLAYING.

AND I THINK HE–MIKE SAID TO ME,
“THEY DON’T HAVE ANYTHING,

BUT THEY HAVE SO MUCH JOY,
AND THEY’RE

SO HAPPY AND THANKFUL
TO BE PLAYING WITH YOU.”

AND THEY DON’T–
THEY LIVE IN DIRT.

AND THEY DON’T HAVE
ALL THE MEALS THEY NEED,

BUT THEY HAVE SO MUCH JOY.

SO, WE–I HAVE A HOME
TO LIVE IN.

I HAVE WARM–I HAVE HEAT.

SO, YEAH,
WE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

GINGER: THAT HAS TOTALLY
CHANGED MY WORLD.

JUST HAVING THESE MANY
YEARS OF BEING ABLE TO SEE

THE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.

I THINK WE HAVE
TO HAVE A GLOBAL VIEW.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VIEW
THAT’S BIGGER THAN OUR SELF.

AND BEING SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

AND THERE, HONESTLY–
THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS

THAT I DON’T DO SO WELL.

BUT I, HONESTLY,
WAKE UP AND THE FIRST

THING EVERY MORNING IS,
“GOD, THANK YOU.”

JUST AN OVERWHELMING GRATITUDE
FOR ALL OF THESE BLESSINGS

THAT I CERTAINLY DON’T DESERVE.

AND–BECAUSE IT’S NOT–
IT’S NOT ABOUT THAT.

IT’S JUST THANKING GOD
FOR THOSE THINGS THAT

HE PROVIDES FOR US,
FOR THE LOVE THAT HE GIVES US,

HIS MERCY, HIS GRACE ALL–
CUZ NONE OF US DESERVE

ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE.

JAI: YEAH.

GINGER: AND IT REALLY DOES.

IT CHANGES THE REST
OF THE DAY AND EVERYTHING

ELSE THAT HAPPENS.

AND THEN, WHEN SOMETHING
COMES IN THAT, YOU KNOW,

IS PRETTY NASTY, IS PRETTY BAD,
AT LEAST YOU SET THAT

FOUNDATION OF GRATITUDE,
AND YOU LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY.

IT’S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD,
IT’S SOMETHING THAT GOD’S

GONNA HELP YOU WALK
THROUGH ONCE AGAIN.

JOYCE: YEAH, CUZ THEN,
THE OTHER THING I WANT

TO TALK ABOUT, AND THIS TAKES
IT TO ANOTHER WHOLE LEVEL.

JAI: I’M NERVOUS.

ERIN: OKAY, WE’RE READY.

JAI: BRACE MYSELF.

JOYCE: IS, “GIVE THANKS
IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.”

JAI: MY LORD, ALL OF ‘EM.

JOYCE: NOT JUST
THE GOOD ONES.

SO, THE NASTY THINGS THAT
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.

GINGER: YEAH.

JOYCE: “FOR THIS IS GOD’S
WILL FOR YOU IN CHRIST JESUS,”

1 THESSALONIANS 5:18.

“GIVE THANKS IN ALL
CIRCUMSTANCES.”

GINGER: WHAT YOU SAID WAS,
“BE GLAD THAT THE ROSE

HAS THORNS.”
JOYCE: YEAH, RIGHT.

GINGER: EXPLAIN THAT TO US.

JOYCE: WELL, IN THE BOOK THAT
I WROTE ON, THANK YOU POWER,

I SAID, YOU KNOW,
ROSES HAVE THORNS.

AND WE LOVE THE ROSES,
BUT YOU’RE NOT GOING

TO HAVE ROSES WITHOUT THORNS.

AND SO, SOME PEOPLE NEVER
GET BEYOND COMPLAINING

ABOUT THE THORNS IN LIFE,
TO EVER SEE THE ROSES.

AND WE ALL HAVE
THORNS IN OUR LIFE.

YOU KNOW,
PAUL HAD A THORN IN HIS FLESH,

AND WE’VE ALL GOT
PEOPLE THAT BUG

US AND TRAFFIC THAT BUGS US,
AND INSURANCE COMPANIES

THAT YOU PAY, THAT BUG US.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: I THINK THERE’S
A STORY THERE.

JAI: IT’S A LITTLE PERSONAL.

JOYCE: GUESS WHO’S AGGRAVATED
WITH THEM, RIGHT NOW?

ERIN: I HAVE NO IDEA.

JOYCE: NO IDEA.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

I HAVEN’T THANKED
GOD FOR THEM YET.

I NEED TO DO THAT.

ERIN: LET’S TAKE A MINUTE.

JOYCE: I’M SO SORRY, LORD.

THANK YOU FOR
THE INSURANCE COMPANY,

THAT WON’T GIVE ME WHAT I WANT.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: THANK YOU
FOR THE THORNS,

THANK YOU FOR THE THORNS.

JOYCE: YEAH,
THANK YOU FOR THE THORNS.

WHY SHOULD WE GIVE THANKS
IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES?

BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS THAT
IF WE DO THINGS GOD’S WAY–

YOU CAN’T LEAVE THAT OUT,
THAT HE WILL “CAUSE ALL THINGS

TO WORK TOGETHER,
FOR OUR GOOD, TO THOSE WHO

LOVE GOD AND ARE CALLED
ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.”

SO, YOU CAN’T HAVE ANY
UNFORGIVENESS IN YOUR HEART.

JAI: YOU LOOKED AT ME.

ERIN: SHE DID.

JAI: I’M WORKING ON IT.

ERIN: SHE LINGERED.

JOYCE: I DIDN’T MEAN TO.

JAI: MAYBE THAT WAS
CONVICTION, I DON’T KNOW.

JOYCE: MUST HAVE JUST BEEN
THE HOLY SPIRIT.

I DIDN’T MEAN TO.

I’M TRYING TO TURN MY HEAD
AROUND AND IT WON’T GO ANYWHERE.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: SHE’S LIKE THAT
PAINTING THAT ALWAYS LOOKS

LIKE IT’S LOOKING AT YOU.

JAI: I SAW THAT.

OK, FORGIVENESS IN MY HEART.

I GOT YOU.

JOYCE: BUT HONESTLY,
I TRULY 100% BELIEVE THAT–

I’VE EXPERIENCED IT
IN MY OWN LIFE,

AND I BELIEVE IT WITH
ALL MY HEART,

THAT IF WE DO THINGS GOD’S WAY–
SO MANY PEOPLE,

WHEN THEY HAVE A PROBLEM,
THEY STOP DOING EVERYTHING

THEY SHOULD BE DOING.

ERIN: YEAH, THAT’S TRUE.

JOYCE: THEY STOP GIVING.

THEY STOP READING THE WORD.

THEY STOP GOING TO CHURCH.

THEY CAN’T EVEN
BE NICE TO ANYBODY.

THEY’RE JUST GROUCHY AND DOWN
AND IN A BAD MOOD ALL THE TIME.

AND ALL THEY TALK ABOUT
IS WHAT’S WRONG, WHAT’S WRONG.

AND THEY’RE DOING
THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

SO, WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IS WHAT

YOU WOULD DO IF EVERYTHING
IN YOUR LIFE WAS PERFECT.

NOW, THAT DOESN’T MEAN
IT DOESN’T HURT,

DOESN’T MEAN YOU DON’T CRY,
DOESN’T MEAN IT’S NOT HARD.

BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
A SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE HERE.

WE’RE TALKING ABOUT,
“OK, HOW CAN–”

SEE, THE BIBLE SAYS,
“WE OVERCOME EVIL WITH GOOD.”

THAT–I MEAN, THAT REALLY TELLS
THE WHOLE STORY RIGHT THERE.

SO, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING
EVIL HAPPENING IN YOUR LIFE,

THE BEST WAY TO OVERCOME
IT IS BY DOING SOMETHING GOOD.

AND SO, BEING THANKFUL
IS CERTAINLY BETTER THAN

GRIPING AND COMPLAINING.

GINGER: YEAH.

JAI: I HAVE–I’VE HAD LIKE
INTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT

COME TO ME SO MANY TIMES
AND SAY THINGS LIKE, “YOU KNOW,

IT’S EASIER TO BE THANKFUL WHEN
EVERYTHING’S GOING GOOD.

LIKE WHEN THINGS ARE GOING WELL,
IT’S MORE DIFFICULT TO,

YOU KNOW, TO FIND THAT GRATITUDE
WHEN THINGS ARE GOING AWFUL.”

AND I USED TO KIND
OF FEEL THAT WAY, TOO.

BUT HONESTLY,
GOING THROUGH THIS–

THESE THIS PAST COUPLE OF YEARS,
AND REALIZING THAT HOW

MUCH LIFE IS FLEETING,
AND YOU JUST ALSO CAN’T

DETERMINE WHAT CHANGES
ARE GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW.

YOU KNOW, LIKE I AM LEARNING
AND HAVE LEARNED, SO FAR,

THAT GIVING GOD THANKS
FOR WHAT I HAVE TODAY,

RIGHT NOW, IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE,

IS ME JUST SHOWING HIM THAT
I APPRECIATE WHAT I HAVE NOW,

BECAUSE TOMORROW
IT MIGHT BE GONE.

LIKE, EVERYTHING CAN
COMPLETELY CHANGE TOMORROW.

SO, I’M LEARNING TO LIVE
MY LIFE LIKE THAT SCRIPTURE

IN THESSALONIANS ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, LIKE,

IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE,
YOU KNOW, LIKE,

I AM LEARNING THAT.

BECAUSE NOW, I’M PIVOTING
MY MINDSET, CUZ INITIALLY,

WHEN IT FIRST HAPPENED,
IT IS NUMBING

AND IT MAKES YOU LIKE,
NOT WANT TO SAY ANYTHING,

DO ANYTHING BUT LIKE,
CRASH THINGS, AND SMASH THINGS,

AND SAY BAD THINGS.

AND SO, I–LIKE, BUT I DID IT.

BUT NOW, GOING THROUGH IT MORE
AND HAVING YOU GUYS AROUND,

AND HAVING, YOU KNOW,
GOOD PEOPLE IN MY LIFE LIKE,

SERIOUSLY, I AM NOW
UNDERSTANDING THAT EVEN

THOSE HARD CIRCUMSTANCES
ARE NOT LIKE THINGS TO PAUSE

ME AND TO NUMB ME,
IT’S JUST GOD REDIRECTING

MY PATHWAY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, I BELIEVE
IT’S HEADED TO SOMETHING GOOD,

BUT I HAD TO PIVOT
MY MENTALITY–

GINGER: IT TAKES A WHILE
TO GET THERE.

JAI: IT DOES, CUZ I WAS NUMB.

IT WAS HARD.

AND HONESTLY, AT CERTAIN
POINTS–AND I DON’T KNOW,

BECAUSE LIKE, OF THE WORSHIP
LEADING SIDE OF THINGS,

I ALMOST FELT LIKE SATAN WAS
TRYING TO COVER MY MOUTH.

LIKE, I FELT LIKE, SOMETIMES,
I COULDN’T SAY–I WAS LIKE…

LIKE, I REALLY COULDN’T
SAY ANYTHING.

BUT THEN, THAT’S WHY
IT’S LIKE THE ATTITUDE,

THE LIFESTYLE OF GRATITUDE,
LIKE, HAS OVERCOME THAT.

LIKE, I CAN TESTIFY AND SAY,
“I HAVE OVERCOME–”

AND STILL OVERCOMING
BECAUSE IT’S STILL NOT

AS EASY AS IT ONCE WAS, BUT.

GINGER: YOU KNOW, THERE’S NOT
TIME TO BE UNGRATEFUL.

LIKE YOU SAID, THINGS COULD
BE DIFFERENT TOMORROW.

THERE’S JUST NOT TIME TO WASTE
A DAY BEING UNGRATEFUL.

AND YOU KNOW,
I’VE LOST A FEW PEOPLE RECENTLY,

THAT I REALLY CARED ABOUT,
PEOPLE CLOSE TO ME.

AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE,
EVERYBODY YOU TALK TO,

THERE’S JUST HARD THINGS,
AND LIFE IS FLEETING,

AND THINGS CHANGE QUICKLY.

AND SO, WE JUST CAN’T WASTE
TIME NOT THANKING GOD

FOR WHAT WE DO HAVE.

JOYCE: AND EVERYBODY
HAS STUFF.

JAI: EVERYBODY.

GINGER: ABSOLUTELY.

JOYCE: EVERYBODY HAS STUFF.

YOU’RE NOT THE ONLY ONE
THAT’S GOING THROUGH–

WHATEVER YOU’RE GOING THROUGH,
THERE’S SOMEBODY THAT’S

GOING THROUGH SOMETHING
WORSE THAN YOU ARE.

AND SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY
THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT

BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT’S HARD.

IS ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU’RE
IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE,

YOU DON’T LIKE TO VERBALIZE,
“LORD, I’M DOING THIS BY FAITH,

BUT I’M THANKING YOU
IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.”

ACTUALLY, THERE’S A SCRIPTURE
THAT SAYS TO THANK GOD

FOR EVERYTHING.

THAT’S ANOTHER WHOLE LEVEL, TOO.

SO–
ERIN: IN YOUR BOOK,

IN CHAPTER–
IT WAS CHAPTER THREE,

I UNDERLINED IT,
AND I STARRED IT,

AND I PUT EXCLAMATION
POINTS NEXT TO IT BECAUSE

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT–

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: IS IT REALLY GOOD.

YOU’RE A REALLY GREAT WRITER.

JOYCE: OH, THANK YOU.

ERIN: BUT YOU’RE
TALKING ABOUT LIKE,

YOUR STORY AND THE THINGS
THAT YOU WENT THROUGH.

AND SO, YOU SAY,
“THIS IS MY STORY IN A NUTSHELL,

AND YOU HAVE YOUR STORY TOO.

BUT OUR STORIES ARE
ALL BEING WRITTEN.

SO, EVEN IF YOU DON’T LIKE
THE FIRST FEW CHAPTERS OF YOURS,

REMEMBER THAT YOUR
LIFE ISN’T OVER YET.”

AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES
BECAUSE IT MAY BE REALLY HARD

RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU’RE SPEAKING,
“THANK YOU FOR WHAT’S TO COME,”

BECAUSE THIS IS A SEASON.

JOYCE: RIGHT,
THAT’S THE THING.

ERIN: THIS ISN’T FOREVER.

AND YOU KNOW, GOD IS GOOD,
AND HE HAS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

JOYCE: I ACTUALLY,
CAN LOOK BACK NOW

AT THE ABUSE THAT I HAD,
AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS

TOTALLY CRAZY,
BUT I AM NOT SORRY

THAT IT HAPPENED.

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT
IT HAS MADE ME WHO I AM,

AND IT HAS EQUIPPED ME.

SEE, EVERYTHING YOU
GO THROUGH EQUIPS YOU.

AND WE NEED EQUIPMENT,
WE NEED EXPERIENCE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES
EVERY COMPANY WANT?

SOMEBODY WITH EXPERIENCE.

AND THE BIBLE SAYS
IN HEBREWS 5:8 AND 9 THAT

JESUS LEARNED OBEDIENCE–
WELL, HE WAS NEVER DISOBEDIENT,

SO HOW CAN YOU LEARN OBEDIENCE?

WELL, HE LEARNED
THE COST OF OBEDIENCE.

HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE THROUGH
THE THINGS THAT HE SUFFERED.

AND THE THINGS THAT
HE WENT THROUGH EQUIPPED

HIM TO BE OUR HIGH PRIEST,
TO BE THE AUTHOR

AND THE SOURCE OF SALVATION.

SO, HE HAD TO GO THROUGH THOSE
THINGS IN ORDER TO HELP US.

AND A LOT OF TIMES,
GOD DOES ALLOW PEOPLE

TO GO THROUGH THINGS BECAUSE
HE INTENDS TO USE THEM LATER,

BUT THEY’VE GOT TO HAVE
SOME EXPERIENCE,

THEY’VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT
THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT.

I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY RECENTLY,
“I’VE NEVER HEARD A PREACHER

SAY ANYTHING THAT MOVED
ME THAT HAD–THAT DID NOT

HAVE SOME BROKENNESS
IN THEIR OWN LIVES.

ERIN: YEAH, THAT’S TRUE.

JAI: YEAH.

ERIN: AND YOU DON’T
APPRECIATE–YOU DON’T HAVE

AS MUCH GRATITUDE IF YOU HAVEN’T
EXPERIENCED BROKENNESS.

‘CAUSE NOTHING SEEMS THAT
GREAT IF YOU’VE NEVER HAD

TO GO THROUGH HARD THINGS, SO.

JAI: I CAN HONESTLY SAY,
AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE–

ALTHOUGH I COMPLETELY–
LIKE, THIS IS MY HONESTY.

LIKE, I COMPLETELY MISS WHAT
I THOUGHT MY FAMILY WAS.

LIKE, I MISS THAT.

AND IF I COULD WAKE UP TOMORROW
AND THIS WAS ALL A HORRIBLE,

HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE
AND EVERYTHING THAT

I THOUGHT WAS, WAS ACTUALLY,
REALLY THE REALITY, LIKE,

I’D TAKE THAT IN A HEARTBEAT.

BECAUSE–AND THAT SOUNDS CRAZY,
BECAUSE I DON’T WANT

HIM ANYMORE, LIKE,
BUT THAT’S SERIOUSLY–

JOYCE: BUT EVERYTHING
YOU THOUGHT WAS, REALLY WASN’T.

JAI: IT REALLY WASN’T.

AND SO, NOW, THAT I KNOW
THAT IT WASN’T,

AND NOW THAT I’VE GONE THROUGH
WHAT I’VE GONE THROUGH,

AND GOING THROUGH STILL,
I ACTUALLY, AM GRATEFUL

BECAUSE OF WHO I’VE BECOME
AND STILL BECOMING.

LIKE, I AM SO MUCH STRONGER.

I’VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT
WITH WAY MORE PEOPLE THAT

HAVE GONE THROUGH THINGS.

LIKE, I HATE THAT,
THAT’S LIKE THE STORY NOW,

BUT IT’S STRENGTHENED ME.

I’M A DIFFERENT PERSON.

I’M MORE LOVING.

I’M MORE KIND.

I’M MORE UNDERSTANDING.

I’M MORE INTROSPECTIVE
ABOUT MY OWN SELF.

JOYCE: YOU HAVE
MORE COMPASSION.

JAI: I HAVE MORE COMPASSION,
MORE EMPATHY.

I’M JUST–I’M JUST A DIFFERENT–
I’M A WHOLE DIFFERENT GIRL,

AND I’M JUST GETTING STARTED.

AND SO, I’M REALLY EXCITED
ABOUT WHAT’S COMING, BUT.

JOYCE: SEE, WHEN SOMEBODY
TELLS ME THEY’VE BEEN

SEXUALLY ABUSED,
I CAN HAVE COMPASSION.

IF YOU TELL SOMEBODY WHO’S
NEVER BEEN THROUGH IT,

THEY CAN HAVE PITY.

BUT PITY AND COMPASSION
ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

PITY IS A FEELING.

COMPASSION; YOU’RE MOVED
WITH COMPASSION.

SO, COMPASSION MOVES YOU TO TRY
TO DO SOMETHING FOR THEM,

PRAY FOR THEM, LOVE THEM,
TALK TO THEM, TRY TO GET THEM

THE HELP THAT THEY NEED,
SOMETHING.

JAI: YOU’VE LITERALLY,
BEEN LIKE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE

THAT I–THE MAIN PERSON,
HONESTLY, THAT I JUST

LOOK AT–AND LIKE,
“LOOK AT HER, LIKE, LOOK AT HER,

ALL THE STUFF SHE’S
BEEN THROUGH, AND LOOK AT HER,

AND LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE
AND THE IMPACT THAT GOD’S

ALLOWED YOU TO DO,
BECAUSE ALL THE JUNK

AT THE BEGINNING.”
JOYCE: GOD PAYS

YOU BACK, HONEY.

HE GIVES YOU A DOUBLE REWARD
FOR YOUR FORMER TROUBLE,

IF YOU DO THINGS HIS WAY.

AND I HAVE TO KEEP ADDING THAT.

BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE WANNA
CLAIM THE PROMISES OF GOD,

BUT THEY DON’T WANT
TO BE OBEDIENT TO GOD,

AND YOU CAN’T DO THAT.

GINGER: YOU TALK
ABOUT HUMILITY BEING

AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.

HOW DOES HUMILITY FIT INTO THIS?

JOYCE: WELL, HUMILITY
IS REALLY WHAT BROKENNESS IS.

SEE, BROKENNESS IS–
THAT DOESN’T SOUND

GOOD TO PEOPLE.

WE SAY, “YOU HAVE TO BE BROKEN,”
AND THEY’RE LIKE,

“WAIT A MINUTE,
I DON’T LIKE THIS PROGRAM.”

GINGER: YEAH, “I DON’T WANT
TO SIGN UP FOR THAT.”

JAI: “SOUNDS PAINFUL.”
JOYCE: “WAIT A MINUTE.

I’M GOING TO TURN TO ONE
OF THOSE CHANNELS WHERE

THEY’RE TELLING ME THAT
GOD WANTS TO BLESS

ME AND PROMOTE ME.”
AND HE DOES, AND HE DOES.

BUT BROKENNESS IS REALLY
NO MORE THAN GETTING YOU

TO THE POINT, WHERE YOU KNOW–
YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KNOW,

THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CANNOT
DO ANYTHING APART FROM HIM.

“IT’S NOT ME.

I DON’T GET THE CREDIT.

I DON’T DESERVE THE GLORY.”
I MEAN, YOU GET

TO THE POINT WHERE–
I SPENT SO MANY YEARS WASTING

MY TIME IN “WORKS OF THE FLESH.”
TRYING TO GET DAVE TO CHANGE,

TRYING TO CHANGE MYSELF,
TRYING TO CHANGE MY KIDS,

TRY…TRYING TO CHANGE
EVERYBODY, TRYING TO RUN

THE WORLD.

AND I’M TELLING YOU WHAT.

TRYING TO BE THE HOLY SPIRIT
IS HARD WORK.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: THAT JOB’S BEEN
FILLED ALREADY.

JOYCE: IT JUST WEARS YOU OUT.

GINGER: IT’S SUCH A BIG JOB.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: WHEN YOU
GIVE ALL THAT UP,

YOU CAN FINALLY ENTER
THE REST OF GOD,

AND YOU CAN WATCH GOD WORK.

GINGER: I WANT TO ASK YOU
THIS FOR SOME OF OUR FRIENDS

WHO MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR
WITH THE TERMINOLOGY,

BUT WHEN YOU SAY,
“WORKS OF THE FLESH,”

YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT DOING
WHAT WE FEEL LIKE DOING.

JOYCE: IT’S MY ENERGY
TRYING TO DO GOD’S JOB.

SO–
GINGER: THAT’S A GREAT

DEFINITION.

JOYCE: SO–
JAI: THAT WAS QUICK TOO.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: WELL, I’VE GOT A LOT
OF EXPERIENCE, HONEY.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: BECAUSE I WAS BIG TIME
INTO WORKS OF THE FLESH

BECAUSE I’M STRONG,
I DON’T NEED ANYBODY.

I MEAN, ALL THOSE PROMISES
AND VOWS, I MADE TO MYSELF

WHEN I WAS BEING ABUSED:
“I’LL NEVER ASK ANYBODY

FOR ANYTHING.

I’LL NEVER TRUST ANYBODY.

I’M NEVER GOING
TO NEED ANYBODY.”

AND BOY, DID I HAVE
A SURPRISE COMING BECAUSE

EVERYTHING THAT I, “I, I,”
TRIED TO DO, DIDN’T WORK.

SO, THEN, I WOULD
GET FRUSTRATED.

AND FINALLY,
GOD GAVE ME THE FORMULA.

AND I PUT A SIGN
ON MY REFRIGERATOR:

“FRUSTRATION EQUALS
WORKS OF THE FLESH.”

SO, EVERY TIME I GOT FRUSTRATED,
EVERY TIME I GOT FRUSTRATED,

EVEN GETTING FRUSTRATED THIS
WEEK AT THE INSURANCE COMPANY,

IT’S BECAUSE “I” WAS DETERMINED
THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE ME WHAT

I WANTED BECAUSE OF HOW
MUCH THAT INSURANCE COSTS.

GINGER: I AM RIGHT THERE WITH
YOU IN THAT TRAP, DEFINITELY.

JOYCE: BUT THE THING IS,
IS I CAN’T MAKE THEM DO THAT.

I CAN PRAY ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, BUT I CAN’T–GOD CAN–
BUT I CAN’T MAKE THEM DO THAT.

SO, THAT’S WHAT
BROKENNESS IS TO ME.

IT’S US LEARNING THAT ONLY–
YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR PART,

BUT WE CAN’T DO GOD’S PART.

JESUS FED 5,000 WITH A LITTLE
BOY’S FIVE SLICES OF BREAD

AND TWO FISH.

AND THE BEAUTIFUL THING
ABOUT THAT IS THAT LITTLE

BOY WASN’T EVEN COUNTED.

THEY ONLY COUNTED THE MEN.

THEY DIDN’T COUNT
THE CHILDREN AND THE WOMEN.

SO, SOMEBODY THAT PEOPLE
DON’T COUNT, GOD WILL COUNT.

GINGER: OH YEAH.

ERIN: NEVER THOUGHT
OF IT LIKE THAT.

GINGER: SHE’S ROLLING.

JAI: YEAH.

COME ON, COME ON, PREACH!

JOYCE: SEE, HE PROVIDED–
THAT LITTLE, NO-NOTHING THAT

COULDN’T EVEN BE COUNTED,
HE HAD THE RAW

MATERIAL FOR THE MIRACLE.

AND SO, WHAT DID
JESUS SAY TO THEM?

“WHAT DO YOU HAVE?”
AND WHEN YOU CAN FINALLY SAY,

“NOTHING, BUT YOU,” THEN MAYBE
YOU’RE READY FOR GOD TO USE YOU.

JAI: ISN’T IT SOMETHING
TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, WHEN YOU

SAID THAT, IT MADE ME THINK
ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE

THAT FEEL FORGOTTEN?

AND LIKE, PEOPLE THAT
HAVE MAYBE, EVEN, SACRIFICED

AND DONE SO MUCH IN MINISTRY,
OR DONE SO MUCH FOR

THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND MAYBE
HAVE GOTTEN A DIAGNOSIS,

OR MAYBE HAVE A FAILED MARRIAGE,
OR MAYBE SUFFERED SOMETHING,

YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC
OR, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE

PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE,
“I FEEL–I’VE DONE SO MUCH.”

BECAUSE THAT WAS
ONE OF MY THINGS.

I WAS KIND OF LIKE,
“GOD, I’VE GOT MY ENTIRE LIFE

TO MINISTRY, HOW COULD
THIS HAPPEN TO ME?”

BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS,
GOD NEVER FORGETS.

JOYCE: BUT WHEN I SAY,
AND I HAVE TO KEEP SAYING THIS:

IF YOU DO THINGS GOD’S WAY,
THERE’S NOTHING THAT

THE DEVIL CAN THROW AT YOU,
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT

GOD WILL NOT TURN AROUND
FOR YOUR GOOD AND GIVE

YOU A DOUBLE REWARD.

SO, WHAT DOES THAT TERMINOLOGY
MEAN TO ALL OF YOU,

“IF YOU DO THINGS GOD’S WAY”?

WHAT DO YOU SAY, GINGER?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

GINGER: OH, THAT’S A REALLY
BIG QUESTION BECAUSE THERE’S

ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT
LEVELS TO IT.

BUT I THINK IF I SIMPLIFY IT,
AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE,

IT REALLY IS TO HAVE A HEART
THAT SEEKS AFTER HIM

MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

BECAUSE IF I’M DOING THAT,
THEN I DO WANT TO DO WHAT

HE ASKS ME TO DO.

I’M SPENDING TIME TO GET
TO KNOW WHO HE IS,

ALL THE OTHER THINGS
FALL INTO PLACE.

SO, I THINK IF MY HEART
IS SEEKING AFTER HIM,

MOST OF ALL.

JOYCE: AND THAT’S GOOD.

BUT LET’S GET INTO SPECIFICS.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

FORGIVENESS?

JAI: YES.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: “YES, MA’AM.”
JOYCE: I’M SORRY,

I POINTED AT YOU AGAIN.

JAI: YOU DID!

OKAY!

I’M WORKING ON IT!

GINGER: SO, YOU
WANT SPECIFICS.

JOYCE: YEAH, FORGIVENESS.

JAI: YES.

JOYCE: KEEPING
A GOOD ATTITUDE.

ERIN: YEAH, OKAY, YES MA’AM.

JOYCE: I’LL PUT
MY POINTER AWAY.

JAI: YOU READ US.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: “YOU NEED TO GET
A BETTER ATTITUDE,

AND YOU WON’T FORGIVE.”
WHAT IS SHE GONNA DO?

GINGER: OH, SO MANY THINGS.

JOYCE: BEING A BLESSING
TO OTHER PEOPLE,

WHILE YOU’RE HURTING.

I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS
THAT I’VE LEARNED.

THESE ARE THINGS–SPECIFICS.

AND YOU’RE RIGHT: SEEKING GOD.

AND REALLY, IF YOU DO SEEK GOD,
YOU’RE PROBABLY GONNA

HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS.

GINGER: ‘CAUSE HE GIVES YOU
THOSE DESIRES TO DO THOSE

THINGS OTHERWISE,
IT’S A CONSTANT FIGHT.

JOYCE: BUT IF YOU’RE
AT THE POINT THAT

YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT,
THEN YOU DON’T HAVE SOME

OF THE PROBLEMS THESE OTHER
PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

ERIN: LIKE US.

JAI: SHE SAID,
“THOSE OTHER PEOPLE.”

ERIN: ONE THING THAT COMES
TO MIND THAT I’VE LEARNED A LOT

FROM YOU IS LIKE NOT STRIVING.

BECAUSE AS A PERSON
OF MY–LIKE ME, I AM A STRIVER

AND I WANNA JUST DO,
AND I WANNA–

BECAUSE I KNOW
I CAN DO SOME–INDEPENDENT.

GINGER: WE ALL ARE.

ERIN: YEAH, WE ARE.

SO, I’VE HAD TO LEARN–AND NOW,
IT’S WHAT I CRAVE, LIKE,

I AM NOT DOING IT,
IF I DO NOT FEEL PEACE.

BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME,
OR THE ENERGY, OR THE EMOTIONAL

CAPACITY TO DO IT.

SO, THAT’S A PRACTICAL
ONE FOR ME.

JUST DON’T STRIVE, IF I KNOW
IT’S IN MY OWN STRENGTH,

CUZ YOU CAN TELL.

JOYCE: ANY TIME YOU
HEAR YOURSELF SAY,

“I’M SO FRUSTRATED,
I AM JUST SO FRUSTRATED.”

WHY?

WHY DO PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED?

WHEN YOU’RE TRYING
TO DO SOMETHING YOU CAN’T DO.

YOU’RE PUTTING EVERYTHING
YOU’VE GOT INTO IT,

AND IT’S JUST NOT WORKING.

JAI: IT’S EXHAUSTING.

JOYCE: AND SO THEN
WE TELL GOD, “I HAVE DONE

EVERYTHING I KNOW TO DO–”
JAI: AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: AND THERE IT IS.

JAI: AND THERE LIES
THE PROBLEM.

JOYCE: I REMEMBER, ONE TIME,
FALLING ON THE FLOOR,

VERY DRAMATICALLY.

JAI: NOOO!

JOYCE: VERY DRAMATICALLY.

“GOD, I JUST–I JUST GIVE UP.

I GIVE UP.”
AND HONESTLY, I HEARD

THE HOLY SPIRIT SAY, “REALLY?”

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: “FINALLY.”
JOYCE: “NOW, MAYBE,

I CAN DO SOMETHING TILL
YOU TAKE BACK OVER AGAIN.”

GINGER: UNTIL YOU
TAKE IT BACK.

JAI: YOU KNOW, AND YOU THINK
ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.

LIKE, I REMEMBER JUST CALLING
AND CALLING AND TEXTING

AND TEXTING AND SAYING,
“DO THIS, DO THIS?

LIKE, WHY IS IT THIS?

WHY IS IT THAT?”
AND THEN, AFTERWARDS,

I’M JUST SO SAD, SO TIRED,
SO EXHAUSTED.

AND FINALLY, WHEN I WOULD
JUST GIVE UP, BE LIKE,

“GOD, YOU NOT LISTENING TO ME.”
“NO, YOU’RE JUST TALKING

TOO MUCH,” LIKE, YOU KNOW,
“YOU NEED TO SHUT UP.”

SO, I TOTALLY GET THAT.

LIKE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY
SURRENDER, THAT’S WHEN

HE CAN ACTUALLY, SAY,
“OK, NOW, CAN I TR–CAN I TAKE

A STAB AT IT?”
YOU KNOW, I LOVE THAT.

GINGER: THAT REALLY IS TO–
WHEN HE JUST AMAZES US,

THAT’S WHEN OUR GRATITUDE
REALLY OVERFLOWS,

BECAUSE JUST WHEN
WE THOUGHT ALL WAS LOST,

BECAUSE I’VE TRIED IT MY WAY,
30,000 DIFFERENT TIMES,

THE SAME–THAT’S THE DEFINITION
OF INSANITY, RIGHT?

DOING THE SAME THING
ALL THE TIME AND EXPECTING

SOMETHING TO BE DIFFERENT.

WHEN WE FINALLY GIVE UP ON THAT,
AND GOD DOES SOMETHING,

THAT REALLY DOES JUST
SHOOT YOUR GRATEFULNESS

LEVEL OFF THE CHARTS.

BECAUSE YOU’RE LIKE,
“WOW, YOU KNOW.

GOD REALLY IS GOD.

IT DIDN’T HAVE TO BE ME.”
ERIN: “AND I’M NOT

EXHAUSTED,” AT THE END OF IT.

GINGER: YEAH,
NOT SO STRESSED.

JOYCE: AND THAT HUMILITY–
TO FINISH THAT THOUGHT

ABOUT HUMILITY.

WHEN YOU’RE HUMBLE, YOU KNOW
YOU DON’T DESERVE ANYTHING.

ERIN: YEAH, THAT’S SO TRUE.

JOYCE: AND SEE, WE’VE GOT
A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT

IN OUR CULTURE TODAY,
THAT ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY THAT,

“I SHOULD HAVE THIS.”
AND SO, WHEN YOU’RE

TRULY HUMBLE, IT DOES MAKE
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT,

“I DON’T DESERVE THIS.

YOU KNOW,
EVERYTHING I HAVE IS BECAUSE

JESUS DIED FOR ME AND–”
SO, IT MAKES YOU

THANKFUL FOR IT.

JAI: AND I THINK ABOUT
THE VISUAL WE HAD LAST WEEK,

LIKE, IT STILL HAS STUCK WITH
ME–OR LIKE, THE LAST EPISODE.

LIKE, IT JUST STUCK WITH
ME ON HOW ONCE WE PIVOT OUR

THINKING FROM COMPLAINING,
AND BEING SO NEGATIVE ABOUT

THE SITUATION, AND STRIVING,
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING,

LIKE THAT GOD IS READY TO CHARGE
ANGELS ON OUR BEHALF TO LIKE,

FIX THESE THINGS.

AND LIKE, THAT VISUAL,
TO ME, WAS SO POWERFUL.

LIKE, THEY’RE JUST WAITING,
TAKING LIKE, IN STANCE, LIKE,

READY TO COME TO OUR RESCUE,
AS SOON AS WE SAY, LIKE,

“YOU KNOW WHAT?

THANK YOU, AND I LET GO,
BUT THANK YOU GOD FOR WHATEVER

YOU’RE DOING RIGHT NOW.”
LIKE, THOSE ANGELS

ARE WAITING TO LIKE,
FIX IT FOR US.

JOYCE: THEY HEARKEN
UNTO THE WORD OF GOD.

JAI: YEAH, IT’S SO GOOD.

GINGER: WELL, YEAH,
YOU TALK ABOUT GRATITUDE

AND THE WORDS “THANK YOU”
AS BEING A WEAPON.

WE DON’T OFTEN THINK
ABOUT IT THAT WAY.

JOYCE: YOU KNOW, WELL,
I MEAN, IF THE DEVIL THROWS

HIS BEST SHOT AT YOU,
AND GIVES YOU A PROBLEM,

AND YOU CAN’T SOLVE IT,
AND ALL IT PULLS OUT OF YOU IS,

“I’M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT I HAVE.

THANK YOU, GOD,
FOR WHAT YOU’VE GIVEN ME.

THANK YOU THAT YOU’LL TAKE
CARE OF THIS IN YOUR TIMING,

IN YOUR WAY.

AND IN THE MEANTIME,
I’M JUST GOING TO KEEP BEING

A BLESSING TO PEOPLE.

AND YOU KNOW, I’M NOT GOING
TO BE BITTER AND ANGRY,”

I MEAN, JUST IMAGINE HOW
MAD THAT MAKES THE DEVIL.

SO OF COURSE,
THAT IS SPIRITUAL WARFARE.

NOW, YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH
A FEW THINGS TO GET THERE.

AND I’M NOT SAYING,
THAT I’M THERE A HUNDRED

PERCENT OF THE TIME.

I JUST TOLD YOU.

I MEAN, I DIDN’T EVEN THINK,
UNTIL I SAT DOWN HERE,

THAT I HAD BEEN
COMPLAINING ALL WEEK

ABOUT THIS INSURANCE THING,
AND I’M THE ONE THAT WROTE

THE BOOK ON BEING THANKFUL.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: SHE LITERALLY
WROTE THE BOOK.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: I WROTE THE BOOK.

JAI: BUT YOU
REDEEMED YOURSELF.

YOU SAID, “THANK YOU
FOR THEM,” EVENTUALLY.

ERIN: YOU DID.

JOYCE: YEAH, I DID.

NOW, I HAVE TO GO SEE
IF I MEAN IT.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: BUT THE THING IS,
IS YOU CAN–

IT’S HABITUAL.

AND WE DO IT WITHOUT EVEN
REALIZING THAT WE’RE DOING IT.

AND–
I MEAN, I KNOW PEOPLE

WILL LAUGH WHEN I SAY THIS,
BUT–I MEAN, LITERALLY, YOU CAN

CALL ANY COMPANY AND ASK
FOR THE COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT,

BUT THERE IS NO COMPLAINT
DEPARTMENT IN HEAVEN.

AND GOD DOES NOT
ANSWER COMPLAINTS,

HE ANSWERS PRAYERS.

SO, WE’RE JUST WASTING OUR TIME.

ERIN: ONE OF MY FAVORITE
THINGS, IN THIS BOOK–

WELL, YOU SHOULDN’T SAY
THAT BECAUSE IT’S JUST FUNNY.

YOU MADE A LIST, I GUESS,
FOR TWO MONTHS OF ALL THE WEIRD,

TERRIBLE THINGS THAT
HAPPENED TO YOU.

LIKE YOU, YOU GOT YOUR TOE
CAUGHT IN YOUR UNDERWEAR

AND IT WAS HURT.

JOYCE: LOST MY PANTS
AT THE SPA.

JAI: HOW DID YOU LEAVE?

JOYCE: WELL, THEY HAD
TO GIVE ME SOME CLOTHES.

THEY HAD TO TAKE ME TO THE GIFT
SHOP AND GIVE ME SOME CLOTHES.

AND I’M IN THIS FANCY,
FANCY HOTEL.

I MEAN, VERY NICE HOTEL,
AT THE SPA, AND I COULDN’T

FIND MY PANTS.

COULDN’T FIND MY PANTS, SO,
I PUT A HOUSECOAT ON,

I GO UP TO THE CHECK-IN STATION
AND I WAS LIKE, “THIS IS GONNA

REALLY SOUND STUPID,
BUT I CANNOT FIND MY PANTS.”

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: NOW, KEEP IT IN MIND,
THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO I AM.

I MEAN, IT’S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW,
THEY DIDN’T KNOW ME.

JAI: YOU’RE KINDA
RECOGNIZABLE.

JOYCE: “JOYCE MEYER
LOST HER PANTS.”

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: “SHE’S NOT WEARING
ANY PANTS.”

JOYCE: SO, THEY SEND SOMEBODY
DOWN TO THE LAUNDRY ROOM,

THEY GO ALL THROUGH
THE LAUNDRY, THEY GO–

WELL, WHAT HAD HAPPENED?

I HAD FORGOT TO PUT
THEM IN THE LOCKER,

AND SOMEBODY PICKED ‘EM
UP AND FOLDED THEM NICELY,

AND THEY TOOK ‘EM
UP TO THE DESK.

BUT THEY PUT THEM UNDER
THE APPOINTMENT BOOK.

AND SO, THEY’RE LAYING
THERE THE WHOLE TIME.

AND I HAD–
SO, I HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS

WHOLE EMBARRASSING SITUATION,
WALK THROUGH THE LOBBY

IN MY HOUSECOAT,
TO THE GIFT SHOP.

AND WHEN I WENT IN, SHE SAID,
“OH, YOU’RE THE LADY THAT

LOST YOUR PANTS.”

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: THAT’S NOT
EMBARRASSING AT ALL.

NOW, HOW DO YOU FIND
GRATITUDE IN THAT?

WELL, THE THING IS, IS LOOK HOW
MUCH FUN WE’VE HAD WITH THAT.

JAI: VERY TRUE.

JOYCE: SEE, HOW MUCH–
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE JUST

LAUGHING AND LAUGHING
AND LAUGHING RIGHT NOW.

AND FOR SOME PEOPLE,
THAT’S WHAT THEY NEEDED

TODAY WAS TO LAUGH.

GINGER: YOU KNOW,
I’LL TELL YOU TOO.

I’VE LEARNED NOT TO LAUGH
AT OTHER PEOPLE WHEN THEY

DO THESE THINGS BECAUSE
YOU TOLD ME ABOUT CATCHING

YOUR TOE IN YOUR UNDERWEAR.

JOYCE: I ALMOST BROKE MY TOE.

GINGER: IT WASN’T
TWO WEEKS LATER,

I’M GETTING DRESSED,
AND I’M LIKE ON THE FLOOR

BECAUSE SOMEHOW,
I GOT TANGLED

UP IN MY UNDERWEAR.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: AND THAT WOULDN’T
HAPPEN IF WE WOULD SIT

DOWN AND PUT THEM ON.

JAI: WE’RE ON THE GO,
WE’VE GOT THINGS TO DO.

JOYCE: BUT I’M BUSY,
SO I PUT MINE ON STANDING UP.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: DAVE WILL SAY TO ME,
“WHY DON’T YOU SIT DOWN AND–”

“DON’T HAVE TIME TO SIT DOWN.”
ERIN: “WE HAVE TO GO…

TO THE SPA, WHERE MY PANTS ARE.”
JOYCE: THIS MORNING,

I HAD TO TAKE A SHOWER
CUZ I HAD TO WASH MY HAIR,

AND I FILLED THE BATHTUB UP.

JAI: WHILE YOU WERE
TAKING THE SHOWER?

JOYCE: NO, TO TAKE A SHOWER.

GINGER: OH, YOU MEAN,
YOU STARTED THE BATHTUB

AND FILLED IT UP.

JOYCE: I FILLED THE BATHTUB
UP TO TAKE A SHOWER.

THEN, I TOOK MY SHOWER,
AND I HAD TO DRY OFF.

SO, I GOT MY TOWEL
IN THE SHOWER,

AND I HAD TO TURN THE WATER OFF.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JOYCE: BECAUSE I’M ALWAYS
LIKE ONE STEP AHEAD

OF WHERE I’M AT.

GINGER: HOW MANY
TIMES HAVE I GOTTEN

IN THE SHOWER IN MY SOCKS?

TELL ME, YOU GUYS
HAVE DONE THAT?

LADIES: YES.

GINGER: THANK YOU.

JAI: YOU’RE NOT ALONE.

JOYCE: I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT
BECAUSE I DON’T WEAR SOCKS.

GINGER: WELL, IT IS REALLY
FUN TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE

GRATITUDE OVER THE SILLY THINGS
AND THOSE HARD LESSONS,

LIKE YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT,
THOSE THINGS THAT IT TALKS

ABOUT IN PHILIPPIANS,
THAT WE DON’T WANT

TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH,
WE DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO FACE

AND FIGURE OUT IN OUR LIFE.

BUT I’M SO GRATEFUL–
AND THERE IT IS.

THAT’S THE WAY TO SAY IT, RIGHT?

I’M SO GRATEFUL THAT GOD DOESN’T
LEAVE US IN THOSE MESSES.

JOYCE: THAT’S RIGHT.

GINGER: THAT HE HAS SO MUCH
GOOD FOR US AS WE COME

THROUGH THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE SAYS,
AND YOU TALK ABOUT IT, JOYCE,

“TO BE GRATEFUL AND TO SAY SO.”
SO, I JUST WANT TO TELL

ALL OF YOU GUYS HOW MUCH
I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHOSE LIVES ARE DIFFERENT

BECAUSE OF YOUR OPENNESS,
AND YOUR HONESTY,

AND SHARING, ALL OF YOU,
AND HOW MANY PEOPLE’S LIVES

HAVE BEEN CHANGED THROUGH
BEING REAL AND OPEN AND–JOYCE,

I JUST THINK THERE’S SOMETHING
REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT

A WOMAN WHO IS OPENING
DOORS FOR OTHER YOUNG

WOMEN BEHIND HER.

AND WE JUST APPRECIATE
THAT SO MUCH, SO.

JOYCE: WELL, THANK YOU.

BUT THANK YOU FOR GETTING
THE IDEA FOR THIS PODCAST.

YOU SEE, WE CALL IT JOYCE
MEYER’S PODCAST,

BUT GINGER GOT THE IDEA FOR IT.

GINGER: IT’S STILL
JOYCE’S PODCAST.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: BUT THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.

JOYCE: BUT SEE, THAT’S ONE
OF THE THINGS WE NEED

TO DO TO SHOW APPRECIATION
TO PEOPLE IS TO GIVE CREDIT

WHERE CREDIT’S DUE.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
I GET THE CREDIT, FOR LIKE,

SO MANY THINGS THAT GO ON HERE,
THAT I COULDN’T EVEN

BEGIN TO MAKE HAPPEN,
IF I DIDN’T HAVE ALL THESE

HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE
HELPING ME DO IT.

SO, WE ARE ALL A TEAM
AND IT TAKES EVERYBODY.

BUT LET’S JUST ASK EVERYBODY–
SOMETHING I’VE BEEN

TRYING TO DO IS,
HAVE THANKSGIVING DAYS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE A DAY–
GINGER: MORE THAN

ONCE A YEAR.

JOYCE: YEAH.

YEAH, NOT JUST THANKSGIVING,
EAT A TURKEY, BUT JUST TO HAVE

DAYS THAT YOU DEDICATE
TOWARD TRYING TO THANK

GOD ALL DAY LONG FOR EVERY
LITTLE THING THAT HAPPENS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TRAIN
OURSELVES TO DO THIS.

GINGER: IT IS.

IT IS A TRAINING THING.

DEFINITELY.

JAI: IT MIGHT HELP
TO DO SOME ALLITERATION.

MAYBE THANKFUL THURSDAYS.

ERIN: THAT’S NICE.

LET’S TRY IT.

JAI: YEAH, I’M GONNA
TRY THAT.

ERIN: WE’VE BEEN TRAINING
OUR WHOLE LIVES TO COMPLAIN.

SO, IT’S GOING TO TAKE
SOME SPECIFIC EFFORT.

JOYCE: YOU HAVE
TO DO IT ON PURPOSE.

YOU DON’T HAVE
TO TRY TO COMPLAIN.

JAI: NO, IT COMES
NATURALLY, RIGHT?

JOYCE: BUT IF YOU’RE NOT
PURPOSELY BEING THANKFUL,

YOU WILL COMPLAIN.

JAI: I HAD A FRIEND THAT
REALLY JUST WAS SUPER THANKFUL,

THAT I WAS JUST BLOWN
AWAY BY HIS GRATITUDE.

HONESTLY, HE JUST LOST BOTH
OF HIS PARENTS THIS YEAR.

AND JUST LOST HIS MOM LIKE,
LAST WEEK.

AND I WAS JUST–
I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO REALLY

SAY TO HIM ON THE CALL,
BUT HE’S LIKE, “YOU KNOW WHAT?

I’M JUST GRATEFUL TO GOD BECAUSE
I KNOW MY MOM AND MY DAD

ARE BETTER OFF WHERE THEY ARE.”
LIKE, AND HE WAS,

“I’M JUST THANKFUL TO GOD,”
LIKE HE’S LIKE, “WE WERE

FIXING IN OUR HOUSE, BUT MAN,
SHE’S GOT A MANSION NOW.

LIKE, HOW COOL IS THAT?”
LIKE, HIS MINDSET,

HE HAD LIKE, A TEAR, LIKE,
ROLL OUT, YOU KNOW?

BUT IT WAS JUST LIKE HIS
GRATITUDE TO GOD–SO LIKE,

YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, MAN,
EVEN IF YOU’RE GOING THROUGH

SUCH A TOUGH TIME, WERE YOU–
AND HE HAD JUST GOTTEN

OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

HIS WIFE HAD JUST GOTTEN
OUT OF THE HOSPITAL.

AND JUST TO LOSE BOTH OF YOUR
PARENTS IN A MATTER OF LESS

THAN A YEAR LIKE, AND TO HAVE,
STILL HAVE A MINDSET

OF GRATITUDE, IT JUST–
IT REALLY SHOOK ME,

AND MADE ME FEEL LIKE,
“YOU KNOW WHAT, JAI?

YOU CAN BE A LOT MORE
GRATEFUL FOR THE THINGS

THAT YOU DO HAVE.”
JOYCE: WELL, YOU JUST

SUMMED UP THE WHOLE THING
WITH ONE WORD: MINDSET.

LADIES: YEAH.

JOYCE: IT’S–YOU KNOW.

GINGER: IT SHOWS YOU, TOO,
HOW YOU CAN HAVE THAT

GRATEFUL MINDSET EVEN
IN THE MIDST OF REAL PAIN.

JOYCE: AND THE PAIN IS REAL.

WE’RE NOT MAKING LIGHT OF THAT.

GINGER: YEAH, EXACTLY.

BUT–
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THINK

IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM,
THEY FEEL OBLIGATED

TO BE MISERABLE.

I MEAN, YOU DO.

YOU JUST ALMOST, YOU FEEL LIKE,
“WELL, I HAVE TO BE MISERABLE

BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEM.”
BUT YOU ACTUALLY CAN CAST YOUR

CARE ON GOD AND GO AHEAD
AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE,

WHILE GOD IS SOLVING
THAT PROBLEM.

THAT’S WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO DO.

GINGER: YEAH, WELL, WE WANT
TO JUST CELEBRATE, I GUESS,

ALL THAT GOD HAS ALLOWED
US TO DO AND FOR YOU

TO BE PART OF IT AS WELL,
WE’RE SO GRATEFUL.

BECAUSE WITHOUT YOU
GUYS OUT THERE LISTENING,

THIS PODCAST WOULD MEAN NOTHING.

SO…

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: WE’RE VERY
GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU.

AND WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT
YOU KNOW ABOUT JOYCE’S BOOK.

IT’S CALLED, “THE POWER
OF THANK YOU.”

IT’S GREAT.

IT’S A SIMPLE READ,
BUT IT’S A POWERFUL READ,

AND IT WILL MAKE
A DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE.

AND IT’S LIKE ONE
STEP AT A TIME.

IT’S NOT LIKE YOU INSTANTLY
HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

IT HELPS WALK YOU THROUGH
THOSE PRACTICAL THINGS

THAT’LL BE REALLY HELPFUL.

SO, YOU CAN GET THAT.

AND YOU CAN ALSO DO AN ONLINE
STUDY THAT WE HAVE THAT

GOES WITH IT THAT WILL HELP
STIR UP YOUR GRATITUDE.

SO, GO TO
JOYCEMEYER.ORG/TALKITOUT

AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE BOOK
AND THE FREE ONLINE STUDY.

AND WE WILL SEE YOU
ALL NEXT TIME.

THANKS, EVERYBODY.

LADIES: BYE!

[MUSIC]