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okay I am so excited you’ve joined us
we’re going to be talking about gender
without libel discussion number two I
want to introduce who I have as part of
the conversation I have Casey facts I
have Hannah Cusack Julianna Bevier my
daughter-in-law and me I’m Lisa review
in case you are new to this conversation
and we’re going to be talking about a
topic we visited a little bit about
gender without rival and a lot of times
people immediately think I’m talking
about transgender I’m not talking about
transgender I’m not talking about taking
a gender I’m not talking about one
gender being better than another gender
I’m actually talking about dismantling
gender rival Rita that we can begin to
work in to gather so let’s not be touchy
let’s not be sensitive but let’s be
logical and let’s be practical about
some of these things you know a couple
years ago I read a church planting
manual and it’s one of the top church
binding organizations in all of the
United States of America and they were
talking about leaders and elders and
deacons and teachers and different roles
in the church and this was what one of
their significant boys said when he was
interpreting first Timothy chapter 2 he
said this way he said Paul is simply
saying that when it comes to leading the
church women are unfit because they are
more gullible and easier to deceive than
men so unfit gullible as easily deceived
more so than men first of all I just
might ask you how that make you feel
does that pan up does that make you feel
relieved of duty empowered how does that
make you feel when you hear unfit
gullible and easily deceived
disqualified disqualified yeah you don’t
hear even a role saying do you know you
okay how about you Julie what do you
what do you hear when you’re unfit
easily deceived and gullible just less
than like someone who needs to almost be
monitored yeah okay see how about you
actually challenge kind of like what I
want to cut combat that and
defy it the most yeah and I have to be
honest with you I have done all those
things I said I have been gullible I
have been deceived but here’s the
promise of God for our life in 2nd
Corinthians chapter 3 verses 4 through 6
it says such is the confidence that we
have through Christ not through some
church organization not because of what
somebody else says is through Christ
toward God not that we are sufficient in
ourselves to claim anything as coming
from us but our sufficiency is from God
who has made us sufficient to be
ministers of a new covenant not as a
letter I’m fit easily deceiving they’ll
be her letter words these are law words
yeah but if the spirit for the letter
kills but the spirit gives life and then
it’s interesting he goes on to say while
many irate women have disagreed with his
Paul’s assessment through the years it
does appear that this from this that
such women who failed to trust his
instructions and follow his teaching are
much like their mother Eve and are well
intended but ill-informed you know do I
have to be irate to disagree because I
disagree with my husband all the time
and I’m not irate my husband disagrees
with me I’ll better hang on we’re not
irate but when he begins to bully write
and say if you don’t agree with my
interpretation yeah then your eye
and then he just says they’re like their
mothers eat I’m just going to tell each
and every woman out there you are not
Addison maybe you are a daughter of
promise yet if you’re a daughter of
anybody you’re a daughter of faith which
is a daughter of Sarah but the truth is
that you are a daughter of the Most High
God because in Christ you become an heir
and a joint heir with and then so that
you can be a carrier of the promise and
so let’s talk about this because this is
going to always be a conversation I can
if I post anything about gender alone
does it make a leader people will make
comments if my husband posts
I chose because I actually posted a
couple days ago about that when God
looks for leaders he isn’t looking for
our gender he’s looking for our
surrender I’m looking for people that
virtue and excellence let’s talk about
this you know Casey what have you seen
Hannah Julie what did you think cause I
mean we’ve all been around the block and
we’ve experienced it in someone laverna
that have you experienced like feeling
that limits of gender and how does that
make you feel about your daughters yeah
definitely thinking about our daughters
and their future and fortunately having
you no role models ahead of them who
have paid high prices to pave the way
for them to have that freedom and
honestly for me I just think about the
partnership that I share with my husband
and really the beauty that’s in it and
how it’s it’s not available which is so
many people because they are told you’re
less than I told that to you’re you’re
not fit and means these same people will
say mothering and taking care of the
next generation is the most incredible
gift and we do all the things that
matter
yeah but out of the same mouth comes
these limitations yeah and to be sane I
wouldn’t turn College recession baby
over to someone that was unfit goal
initially do ya I would not say please
take care of my children there’s a
motive precious thing like that
my legacy is in your hair okay yeah it
just the limitations that would place on
that partnership because how could you
enter in and truly trust someone and you
feel like you have to constantly be
making sure that they’re not falling
into our trap but you know II silence
yes yes and no no go ahead and say for
me just to piggyback off that so it’s a
Venus 21 admission to you girl to four
and and I experienced a lot of pushback
from fellow sisters yes okay and that is
something we do need to talk about yeah
yeah and I mean it was you know just
it’s when you know who you are in Christ
you don’t have to try to to
to lead or whatever you know to preacher
to teacher whatever we’re all supposed
to be following my family bottom pieces
yep and they would just say you might
want to tone it down and offer me these
scriptures and that’s why I’m so
grateful for this book sham packs these
scriptures in Chapter six agenda without
rival offers context to them because I
was just refute it’s like oh for sure
you know I was like Lord yes I will
submit to you if this is what you have
for me of course like I want to please
you it you know if I need to tone it
down I will but just until right no yeah
yeah and the truth is is there isn’t one
stamp of what it looks like to be a
woman and talking about this competition
thing might one of my son’s overheard
something that somebody had said in the
context of other female ministers who I
love and respect and he said huh why
does it seem like a lot of the female
ministers are competitive with one
another and it got me thinking and you
know what I think it is when you don’t
empower people in those valid ways and
they have to fight for 10 places that’s
right then they then they have to
compete because because the ground is so
small yeah and so I just want to say if
you’re out there and you know you have
something that’s a dream in your heart
you have to fight for your place yeah
but you just need to obey God and if
somebody’s putting a limit on you or
somebody’s trying to compete with you or
somebody think you can’t do something
that gotta fit in your heart we’re just
here to tell you please please do it we
actually really need you to do it we
need you to be everything that God
created you to be and and and there is
ways to address these issues we we are
all love them I am NOT a minister
because I don’t love man yeah and I
actually have to be honest we do some of
them female ministers I hear them say
certain things that seem like they’re
put down to men and this is not the
spirit we want to be around that because
we believe men and women are better
together belief there are things that
only a woman can do and things that only
a man can do so this isn’t about all you
believin women being lead pastors you we
believe in women being led by the spirit
yes right and then being led by the
spirit and then whatever the Spirit
tells them to do that’s what we need to
do yeah Hannah Hobbit and I’ll say a
final
being back to that initial word that I
submitted disqualified yeah is realizing
that we don’t look to other people to
qualify us it’s what are we looking at
and what are we immersing ourselves in
it’s really going to build us up to a
place where we have that understanding
that if God’s placed something inside of
you that you have to go after with
tenacity and bold and courage all of
those things those aren’t buzzwords
those are those are the things you’re
going to live out day in and day out and
it’s not going to be fun you’ve raised
us up in that in the note in the
knowledge of and I love this xx surface
has the best way to protect someone from
making future mistakes is open
instruction not prohibition and the fact
that you’ve made a grave mistake in her
passion not silence her daughter’s voice
in the future and really that just being
the clarion call of we’re not even not
even just ease mistakes but we’ve all
made mistakes we’re on trial live out of
that that’s not what qualifies us or
disqualifies us for what we have to walk
into in the future what qualifies us is
that God’s placed something within each
one of us that is without rival yeah and
we have to live out about guys with the
knowledge of who we are in him and and
nothing can contend with that yeah and
I’m just going to say this as a
grandmother you know I am I want
something different for my
granddaughters I mean it’s great that
women are coming into something but we
want something different and you know I
actually really stepped out on this book
and wrote actually ten thousand words of
the gender issue
and so that’s their their scriptures I
know we’re having a conversation you
might be like what about subscription
what about that sister we we took this
time and we unpacked and we actually
pulled from a lot of people that are way
smarter than us yes to be able to talk
about some stuff that we we want to
facilitate conversation for you we want
to see you get around the table around
like kind of dynamic yeah or your heart
and not the healing begin yeah yeah if
you gather even with four yeah and so
much
more than if I just got here and read
this alone yeah exactly and you can do
that we put together something called a
steady pack it includes five books
you’ve got discussion questions in there
if you want to help facilitate
discussion plus the DVDs are six lessons
great tool for you to just do what we
did here gather women and dive into the
world yes good thanks guys thanks for
joining us we’re going to continue to do
these kind of things because we we want
you to know you’re not alone and we love
getting to connect with you god bless
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