3 Ways To Change Your Thoughts | Joyce Meyer’s Talk It Out Podcast | Episode 82

With a heart to share Christ and love people, Joyce’s messages help people in all walks of life to grow in their faith, learn to study the Bible, find healing from the wounds of life, get answers to life’s questions and encounter the love of God in a powerful way.

JOYCE: WE’RE CO-INHERITORS
WITH HIM.

EVERYTHING THAT
HE INHERITED FROM GOD,

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WE’RE
JOINT HEIRS WITH HIM,

WE GET TOO.

AND SO, YOU EITHER BELIEVE THAT
OR YOU BELIEVE HOW YOU FEEL.

[MUSIC]

GINGER: HEY, FRIENDS,
COME ON IN.

THIS IS JOYCE MEYER’S
TALK IT OUT PODCAST,

WHERE MY FRIENDS AND I,
TALK ABOUT GOD’S WORD

AND THE REAL STUFF OF LIFE,
AND WE HOLD NOTHING BACK.

I’M GINGER STACHE.

MY FRIENDS ERIN CLULEY, JAI,
AND OF COURSE, JOYCE MEYER WILL

BE ALONG MOMENTARILY, I PROMISE.

YOU SEE,
TODAY IS A SPECIAL EPISODE.

WE’VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW
IMPORTANT IT IS TO THINK ABOUT

WHAT YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT.

OUR THOUGHTS IMPACT
EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES.

AND WE’VE HEARD SO MUCH
FROM ALL OF YOU, OUR FRIENDS,

ON THIS TOPIC.

YOU’RE ASKING FOR
MORE HELP WITH THIS,

AND WE ARE HERE TODAY
TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

YOU SEE, IT’S NOT AN
INSTANT ENDEAVOR.

IT TAKES WORK TO RENEW
YOUR MIND, AND PRACTICE.

SO, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
DEFEATING NEGATIVE THOUGHTS.

AND WE’RE DOING IT
IN A VERY SPECIAL WAY.

WE’RE GOING TO SHARE MOMENTS
FROM YOUR FAVORITE

PODCAST EPISODES,
TO FACE THIS ISSUE FROM THREE

DIFFERENT ANGLES: STOPPING THOSE
NEGATIVE THOUGHTS,

HOW WE THINK ABOUT OURSELVES–
THAT IS SUCH A BIG ONE,

AND GETTING DRESSED
FOR THE BATTLE IN OUR MIND.

I’LL EVEN SHARE HOW
THE LORD HELPED ME UPGRADE

MY HELMET OF SALVATION.

DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO THAT?

YOU CAN.

WELL, THAT IS PART
OF THE DISCUSSION ON TODAY’S

TALK IT OUT.

FIRST UP, HERE’S JOYCE
EXPLAINING HOW THE MIND

IS THE BATTLEFIELD.

JOYCE: PROBABLY OUR MIND
GIVES US MORE TROUBLE

THAN ANYTHING.

YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS?

BECAUSE THE MIND IS THE
BATTLEGROUND THAT SATAN COMES

AND ATTACKS US ON.

THUS, THE BOOK THAT I WROTE,
“THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND.”

IF YOU CAN WIN THE BATTLE IN
YOUR MIND, THEN YOU CAN WIN

THE BATTLE FOR LIFE.

WHERE THE MIND GOES THE MAN
FOLLOWS.

SO, AN OBEDIENT MIND WILL LEAD
TO AN OBEDIENT LIFE.

A DISOBEDIENT MIND WILL LEAD
TO A DISOBEDIENT LIFE.

SO, IF YOU MADE A DECISION
LAST NIGHT OR AT ANY TIME IN

YOUR LIFE, “I WANT TO NOT JUST
BE A CHRISTIAN, I WANT TO BE

AN OBEDIENT CHRISTIAN.

I WANT TO BE A CHILD OF GOD
WHO WANTS TO DO WHAT’S RIGHT

AND DOES WHAT’S RIGHT
AND GLORIFIES GOD.

I DON’T WANT TO BE MEDIOCRE
AND COMPROMISING AND JUST

SEE WHAT ALL I CAN GET BY WITH
AND HOPE I CAN STILL SNEAK IN

THE BACK DOOR OF HEAVEN.

I WANT TO LOVE GOD WITH MY
WHOLE HEART AND DO IT RIGHT.”

AND, I’M SURE THAT MOST OF YOU
HAVE MADE THAT DECISION.

BUT, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE
MAKE THAT DECISION BUT IT

NEVER HAPPENS FOR THEM BECAUSE
ALTHOUGH, THEY MADE A GOOD

DECISION AND THEY HAVE A GOOD
DESIRE, THEY NEVER CHANGE

THEIR MIND.

THEY STILL THINK JUNK.

THEY HAVE STINKIN’ THINKIN’
AND ANYTIME WE HAVE STINKIN’

THINKIN’ WE’RE GONNA HAVE
A STINKIN’ LIFE, SO…

AMEN.

IS THAT RIGHT?

SO, THE DEVIL CONSTANTLY
ATTACKS OUR THOUGHTS AND,

BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
IN THE BEGINNING, IF YOU FIRST

START TRYING TO COOPERATE
WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO THINK

RIGHT THINGS YOU ARE GONNA FEEL
LIKE YOU’RE IN A BATTLE FROM

DAYLIGHT TILL DARK.

AND, YOU JUST GET SO TIRED
OF FIGHTING THE ENEMY ALL DAY,

YOU DON’T HARDLY KNOW
WHAT TO DO.

BUT, I CAN TELL YOU,
IF YOU STAND YOUR GROUND,

IT GETS BETTER, AND BETTER,
AND BETTER, AND BETTER,

AND BETTER.

AND, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH,
MY MIND STILL GETS ATTACKED,

THERE’S ALWAYS THINGS THAT THE
ENEMY’S SUGGESTING TO MY MIND,

BUT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
NOW IN PRACTICE, I MEAN,

I RECOGNIZE THEM REALLY QUICKLY
AND IT’S NOT THAT DIFFICULT AT

ALL TO JUST SAY, “NOPE, I’M
NOT GOING THERE.”

AND I’M ASKING YOU TONIGHT
TO TAKE AN INVENTORY

OF YOUR THOUGHTS.

WHAT’S BEEN ON YOUR MIND LATELY?

IF YOU’RE DEPRESSED, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

IF YOU’RE ANGRY, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

IF YOU’RE BITTER, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

WE CAN HAVE OUR MIND RENEWED
ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD.

LET’S TAKE JUST A SECOND AND
LOOK AT ROMANS CHAPTER 12,

VERSE 2.

“DO NOT BE CONFORMED
TO THIS WORLD [FASHIONED AFTER

AND ADAPTED TO ITS EXTERNAL
CUSTOMS], BUT BE TRANSFORMED

(CHANGED) BY THE [ENTIRE]
RENEWAL OF YOUR MIND,” AMEN.

SO, HOW ARE WE CHANGED?

FIRST, OUR MIND HAS TO CHANGE,
AND THEN OUR LIFE CHANGES.

WE DON’T THINK THE WAY THAT WE
USED TO THINK, BUT WE BEGIN TO

ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS BOOK
AND THINK LIKE GOD THINKS.

MY GOODNESS, DO YOU KNOW HOW
MANY PROBLEMS PEOPLE HAVE

BECAUSE OF THE JUNKY THOUGHTS
THEY THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES?

I TELL YOU WHAT.

YOU’RE LOOKING AT A WOMAN.

I WOULD BE PETRIFIED ANYMORE TO
THINK BAD, JUNKY THOUGHTS ABOUT

MYSELF, BECAUSE I KNOW IT SO
DISPLEASES AND SO DISHONORS GOD.

HE SENT HIS ONLY SON
TO DIE FOR YOU.

HE LOVED YOU ENOUGH TO PAY
AN AWFUL PRICE FOR YOU,

AND WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
TO HAVE BAD, TERRIBLE,

JUNKY THOUGHTS ABOUT YOURSELF?

IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

JOYCE: AMEN?

I SAID IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

YOU DON’T THINK–YOU DON’T NEED
TO THINK, “I’M STUPID.”

YOU THINK, “I HAVE
THE MIND OF CHRIST.”

YOU DON’T NEED TO THINK,
“I CAN’T DO ANYTHING.”

YOU LOOK AT ROMANS 12, AND YOU
SAY, “I’M GIFTED AND TALENTED.

THERE’S SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO
AND IT’S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE

IN THE BODY OF CHRIST
THAT I FULFILL MY PART.”

QUIT LETTING THE DEVIL DRAG YOU
DOWN THROUGH WRONG THOUGHTS

THAT DON’T AGREE
WITH THE WORD OF GOD.

“I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

I’M GIFTED.

I’M TALENTED.

I’M ANOINTED.”
LEARN HOW TO TALK LIKE

GOD TALKS.

LEARN HOW TO SEE YOURSELF
THE WAY HE SEES YOU, AND

YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE RADICALLY.

GINGER: EW,
THAT’S GOOD STUFF.

IT IS.

IT’S SO GOOD.

IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

I MEAN, THERE ARE
SO MANY PEOPLE, RIGHT NOW,

WHOSE MINDS ARE BEING BLOWN
BY THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT,

“IF I CAN BELIEVE GOD’S WORD
FOR SOMEONE ELSE,

I CAN BELIEVE IT FOR ME, TOO.”
LADIES: YEAH.

GINGER: I MEAN,
THOSE THINGS ARE BIG.

ERIN: IT’S TRUE.

AND HOW MANY OF OUR DAYS,
AND OUR THOUGHTS DURING

THE DAY IS SPENT ON,
“IF ONLY, I COULD DO THIS

LIKE MY FRIEND HERE,
OR IF ONLY I LOOKED LIKE THIS

THEN I COULD HAVE THIS,
OR ALL OF THAT.”

AND YEAH,
WE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN.

BUT MAN, ARE WE MISSING OUT
ON ALL THE THINGS GOD HAS FOR

US BECAUSE WE’RE TOO BUSY
WORRYING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.

JAI: WORRYING ABOUT OTHER
PEOPLE, COMPARING OURSELVES

TO OTHER PEOPLE,
WORRYING ABOUT IF WE’RE

GOOD ENOUGH, WORRYING ABOUT
IF WE’RE LOVEABLE,

IF WE’RE THIS, IF WE’RE THAT.

AND HONESTLY, LIKE JOYCE SAID,
IT’S AN INSULT, YOU KNOW,

TO GOD AND TO THE PRICE THAT
THE JESUS PAID ON THE CROSS TO,

YOU KNOW, REALLY LIKE,
DOUBT SHE’D BE PETRIFIED

TO EVEN THINK NEGATIVE
THOUGHTS ABOUT HERSELF.

MAN, I MEAN, AND I HAVE
TO WAR WITH THAT.

AND ME AND MY DAUGHTER
TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

AND IT’S LIKE, WE CANNOT
ALLOW OURSELVES TO THINK

NEGATIVELY ABOUT OURSELVES.

NO MATTER WHAT PHASE WERE IN,
NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE A HUGE

ZIT ON YOUR FOREHEAD,
OR ON YOUR NOSE,

NO MATTER IF YOU ATE A LOT,
YOU KNOW, OVER THE SUMMER

OR DURING QUARANTINE,
AND YOU GAINED SOME WEIGHT,

OR WHETHER YOU LOOK YOUR BEST,
EITHER WAY, IT CAN’T BE BASED

OFF OF SITUATIONS.

IT HAS TO JUST BE BASED
ON THE FACT THAT “GOD LOVES ME,

SO I NEED TO LOVE MYSELF.”
GINGER: THERE’S ALWAYS

SOMETHING WRONG
WITH EVERY ONE OF US.

JAI: WE CAN ALWAYS
FIND SOMETHING WRONG.

GINGER: EXACTLY, IT’S NOT
LIKE IT’S HARD TO FIND A REASON

FOR ANYONE TO THINK POORLY
ABOUT THEMSELVES.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK
AT IT THAT WAY, THAT WE’RE

GOD’S CHOSEN CREATION.

SO, WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
OURSELVES IN A NEGATIVE WAY,

WE’RE TALKING BADLY ABOUT
WHO GOD MADE US TO BE.

JAI: HIS MASTERPIECE.

GINGER: YEAH.

AND HE DOESN’T WANT THAT FOR US,
AND WE SHOULDN’T WANT

THAT FOR HIM.

SO, THERE’S SO MUCH
IN ALL OF THIS.

I’VE HAD A REALLY HARD WEEK.

LIKE, I’VE JUST–
I DON’T KNOW WHY THINGS HAPPEN

THE WAY THEY DO SOMETIMES.

BUT IT’S JUST BEEN
A REALLY DIFFICULT WEEK.

AND I THINK PROBABLY PART
OF IT IS GETTING READY TO TALK

ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW?

NOT THAT GOD DOES THAT TO US,
BUT THAT SATAN WILL

THROW THINGS IN OUR PATH.

AND INSTEAD OF GOING
A NEGATIVE WAY, YOU KNOW,

I’VE HAD TO THINK
ABOUT THIS A LOT.

AND TO SAY, “OKAY, WHAT
AM I GOING TO DO INSTEAD

OF DWELLING ON THESE
HARD THINGS THAT ARE

HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?”
SO, REAL PRACTICAL,

LIKE YOU SAID, ERIN,
TO SAY, “STOP,”

AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS,
FOR SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT I’VE BEEN DEALING
WITH THIS WEEK IS,

I AM NOT GONNA GO TO GOOGLE
AND LOOK UP A LOT OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

BECAUSE THAT CAN TAKE
YOU DOWN A REALLY DARK PATH,

REALLY QUICKLY.

SO, MAKE SOME GOOD,
PRACTICAL DECISIONS

TO WHAT YOU LET INTO YOUR MIND.

THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

“WHAT ARE WE DWELLING ON?

AM I LOOKING UP EVERYTHING
THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

OR AM I READING GOD’S WORD
AND TRUSTING WHAT HE SAYS.

THAT HE’S THERE,
THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME,

HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE ME,
EVEN WHEN I DON’T

SEE AN OUTCOME.

EVEN WHEN I’M FEARFUL,
THAT IT’S NOT HIM,

THAT PUTS FEAR IN ME,” YOU KNOW,
COMBATING ALL OF THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS
FOR ME IS PSALM 139,

IT’S SO BEAUTIFUL.

I LOVE IT SO MUCH, AND IT’S–
WHEN I START TO HAVE

THOSE THOUGHTS,
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS

I’LL SAY IS, “GOD SEARCH ME,
YOU KNOW ME, CHECK MY ANXIOUS

THOUGHTS AND LEAD ME,
YOU KNOW, HELP ME TO THINK

THE RIGHT WAY.”
AND THAT ALWAYS HELPS

ME A LOT, BECAUSE I KNOW
IT’S NOT EVEN JUST,

I HAVE TO CHANGE MY THOUGHTS.

IF I ASK GOD TO HELP ME,
HE WILL HELP WALK ME THROUGH IT.

SO, THAT’S ONE OF THE ONES
THAT’S REALLY BEEN HELPING ME.

AND JUST THROUGH SOME OF THESE
HARD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING,

YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF MYSELF.

THERE ARE ALWAYS HARD THINGS
THAT ARE HAPPENING INSIDE

OF YOURSELF AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS,
LIKE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN,

“I’M REJECTED,” RIGHT?

WE ALL HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS,
LIKE, YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU’RE

JUST NOT LOVED WELL ENOUGH?

OR YOU KNOW, YOU JUST FEEL
ON THE OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER?

TO GO BACK TO,
“GOD, YOU THINK OF ME SO MANY

TIMES, EVERY DAY,
THAT IT OUT NUMBERS THE GRAINS

OF SAND, AND THE NUMBER
OF STARS IN THE SKY.”

AND THEN, WHEN I HAVE
THOSE THINGS THAT,

I’M NOT THINKING WELL,
THEN I GO BACK

AND I REMEMBER THAT,
“GOD HAS PUT THE FRUIT

OF THE SPIRIT IN ME,”
LOVE, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS,

GOODNESS, GENTLENESS,
SELF-CONTROL, BUT I DON’T FEEL

LIKE I HAVE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

I CAN START,
INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT,

“OH, OBVIOUSLY,
I HAVE NO SELF-CONTROL

BECAUSE I JUST DID THIS.”
I CAN BEGIN CONFESSING,

“GOD PROMISES, BECAUSE HIS
SPIRIT LIVES IN ME,

THAT I HAVE THESE THINGS,”
AND, “GOD, HELP ME TO WALK

IN THEM.”
SO, IT’S SO PRACTICAL.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY
THINGS THAT YOU CAN WRITE DOWN.

THIS IS NOT AN ETHEREAL
KINDA THING.

THIS IS DAILY, HITTING THE ROAD
AND DOING IT KIND OF STUFF.

ERIN: I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT
UNTIL A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN

I START DEALING WITH ANXIETY.

WHICH I’VE SHARED BEFORE,
I’VE NEVER DEALT WITH.

AND SO, THAT’S WHAT DREW
ME TO READING “BATTLEFIELD

OF THE MIND,” AGAIN.

BECAUSE I NEEDED SOMETHING,
AND I NEEDED SOME DIRECTION.

LIKE, I KNEW THE WORD OF GOD
WOULD BE MY SOURCE BUT I JUST–

IT WAS TOO MUCH.

SO, I NEEDED SOME LIKE,
SPECIFIC DIRECTION

OF “HERE’S HOW TO DO THIS.”
AND SO, READING THAT BOOK

WITH THOSE PRACTICAL STEPS,
A COUPLE TIMES, I’VE HAD LIKE,

PANIC ATTACKS AND IT’S USUALLY
DURING THE NIGHT.

I WAS WITH GINGER, ONE TIME,
WE WERE TRAVELING ON A TRIP

AND I TEXT HER THE NEXT MORNING,
AND SAID, “I’M GONNA BE LATE

BECAUSE I JUST HAD A PANIC
ATTACK LAST NIGHT.

I JUST NEED A MINUTE.”
AND IT’S LIKE–

OUR FRIENDS ARE GONNA
UNDERSTAND THIS,

IF YOU HAD IT, LIKE, A SHAKING,
I COULDN’T–MY MIND WAS RACING,

MY HEART WAS RACING.

AND SO, ALL I COULD DO WAS
QUOTE SCRIPTURE.

I REMEMBER–AND I CALLED–
I WENT TO THE BATHROOM,

IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE NIGHT,

CUZ I HAD A ROOMMATE.

SO, I HUDDLED
UP IN THE BATHROOM,

AND I WAS SOBBING,
AND I SAID, “MIKE, I CAN’T–

I CAN’T STOP SHAKING.

I CAN’T STOP.

LIKE, WHAT’S HAPPENING?”
AND SO, HE PRAYED FOR ME.

AND THEN, I TURNED ON WORSHIP
MUSIC IN MY HEADPHONES,

AND I JUST, LIKE,
TOOK DEEP BREATHS,

AND I JUST HAD TO KEEP
THINKING THE THOUGHTS OF GOD.

I HAD TO KEEP REMEMBERING
THAT I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST

AND THAT THIS WILL PASS.

BUT, YOU KNOW,
THE VERSE IN PSALMS, IT’S,

“YOU GIVE ME–”
OR, “I WILL LAY DOWN–”

I CAN’T.

I’M TELLING YOU ALL THESE THINGS
AND I CAN’T REMEMBER THE VERSES.

PSALM 4:8, “IN PEACE I WILL LAY
DOWN TO SLEEP FOR YOU,

OH, LORD, KEEP ME SAFE.”
AND SO, I SHOULD BE ABLE

TO REMEMBER THAT,
I’VE SAID IT SO MANY TIMES.

BUT JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
TO REPLACE THAT NEGATIVE

THOUGHT THAT’S COMING IN.

THAT’S ME SAYING,
“NO, THIS IS THE THOUGHT

I’M GOING TO THINK ON.”
SO…

GINGER: YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE
ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE SHARING?

YOU’RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW,
AND YOU DID IT THEN.

THAT MORNING, YOU CALLED ME,
AND YOU LET ME KNOW,

AND YOU TOLD ME,
AND I COULD PRAY ABOUT IT,

I COULD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT,
YOU KNOW?

WHEN YOU KEEP SOMETHING SECRET,
WHEN YOU HIDE IT, THEN IT GIVES

IT SO MUCH MORE POWER.

AND ERIN TOOK THE POWER
AWAY FROM IT BY SAYING,

“THERE’S NOTHING–
THERE’S NO SHAME IN THIS.

THIS IS WHAT I DEALING WITH.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.

WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME?”
AND BY TELLING EVERYONE

ELSE THAT THERE’S NO SHAME
IN ANYTHING THAT THEY’RE

DEALING WITH.

AND I JUST THINK THAT’S
BEAUTIFUL THAT YOU DID THAT.

ERIN: I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING
THAT BECAUSE ON THE FLIP SIDE,

I THOUGHT, “I DO NOT WANT
TO TELL MY BOSS THAT I’M GONNA

BE LATE TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE
I CAN’T GET MY ACT TOGETHER.”

AND I THOUGHT,
“NO, THIS IS WHERE

I AM IN THIS MOMENT.

GINGER KNOWS ME.

SHE KNOWS I’M GOING
TO DO MY BEST,

BUT I NEED TO BE HONEST,
AND I NEED TO LET MY FRIEND IN.”

AND IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

EVEN CALLING MIKE AT TWO
IN THE MORNING.

I THOUGHT, “I DON’T WANT
TO BOTHER HIM.

HE’S GOT THE KIDS.

I DON’T WANT TO WAKE HIM UP.”
BUT IN THAT MOMENT,

I NEEDED TO TELL SOMEBODY ELSE,
“I’M NOT OKAY.

AND I NEED YOU TO HELP
ME THROUGH THIS.”

JUST LIKE YOU WERE SAYING,
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE

TO TALK TO SOMEBODY,
CUZ LIKE, IT DID,

IT TOOK THE POWER AWAY.

IT’S SO AMAZING WHEN YOU
SAY STUFF OUT LOUD THAT,

THAT POWER OF WHAT’S
RACING IN HERE, DIMINISHES.

GINGER: IT CHANGES
YOUR THOUGHTS.

JAI: IT’S SO CRAZY,
HOW CHRISTIANS–

A LOT OF CHRISTIANS TEND
TO FEEL LIKE THAT’S A BAD THING.

YOU KNOW, TO AKNOWLEDGE THAT
YOU HAVE A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS.

I WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING
ELSE WITH YOU GUYS.

THIS PAST EASTER WAS BIG FOR ME.

AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANY
AMAZING PRODUCTION,

OR ANY MAGICAL, OR YOU KNOW,
HOLY SPIRIT-FILLED

WORSHIP SESSION.

IT WAS BECAUSE AFTER
GOOD FRIDAY–

AND I’VE SHARED A LOT ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT’S GOING

ON IN MY PERSONAL LIFE
AS IT PERTAINS TO INFIDELITY

AND DIVORCE, GETTING–
YOU KNOW, GETTING SERVED PAPERS.

AND NOW, BEING, YOU KNOW,
FIGURING OUT LIFE BY MYSELF.

GINGER: LOTS OF HARD STUFF.

JAI: IT’S A LOT OF HARD STUFF
THROUGH A PANDEMIC, AS WELL.

AND SO, ANYWAYS, I’M SAYING THAT
BECAUSE, THIS PAST–

I WAS THINKING, RIGHT,
THE DAY BEFORE, GOOD FRIDAY,

IT WAS JUST A HARD,
HARD DAY FOR ME.

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT
A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF,

GOT SEVERAL EMAILS,
MORE THINGS ABOUT

THE SITUATION CAME OUT.

LIKE, IT’S UNFORTUNATE WHEN
JUST LAYERS AND LAYERS

OF THINGS THAT COME OUT.

AND FINALLY, I JUST REALLY
STARTED READING ABOUT

THE CROSS AND JESUS, YOU KNOW,
DYING ON THE CROSS.

AND THEN, I READ THE PART
IN THE SCRIPTURE WHERE

IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY,
LIKE, THE PEOPLE WERE CASTING

LOTS FOR JESUS’ CLOTHES, LIKE,
YOU KNOW, AND THEN JESUS SAYS,

“FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW,
NOT WHAT THEY DO.”

AND I’M LIKE, “HOLD UP.

THEY DID KNOW WHAT
THEY WERE DOING.

THEY WERE LITERALLY
CASTING LOTS.

LIKE, WHILE YOU WERE DYING.”
GINGER: THEY SHOULD

HAVE KNOWN BETTER.

JAI: “THEY GAVE YOU VINEGAR
WHEN YOU NEEDED WATER.”

LIKE, THEY KNEW.

AND HE’S LIKE, “YEAH, THEY KNEW,
BUT THEY DIDN’T KNOW THAT THEY

WERE PART OF THE BIG PLAN.”
SO, I IMMEDIATELY,

THEN WAS LIKE,
“MAN, WELL, THANK YOU,”

TO THOSE PEOPLE.

AND SO, WHAT THAT DID WAS
HELP ME, AND HOPEFULLY,

THIS HELPS YOU.

EVEN WITH THE WAY THAT YOU THINK
ABOUT A HORRIBLE SITUATION,

I BEGIN TO THANK MY EX.

I CALLED HIM BY HIS NAME.

“THANK YOU.”
AND I BEGIN TO,

THANK THE MISTRESS.

I SAID HER NAME OUT LOUD,
LIKE, I BEGAN TO THANK THEM,

AND I FELT A RELEASE.

I’M LIKE, I DON’T HAVE TO FIND
OUT ANY MORE STUFF.

I DON’T HAVE TO KNOW
ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT THANK YOU, BECAUSE THEY’RE
PART OF A BIG PLAN THAT I HAVE

NEVER EVEN SEEN BEFORE.

I HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN IT.

BUT WHAT THEY’VE DONE–
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS DETRIMENT,

WHAT I THOUGHT WAS DETRIMENT,
IS ACTUALLY CATAPULTING

ME TO WHATEVER’S COMING NEXT.

SO “THANK YOU.”
ERIN: JAI THAT IS BIG.

GINGER: THAT IS HUGE.

ERIN: I THINK WHEN YOU START
RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT
YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT,

IT’S HARDER IN THE BEGINNING
TO LEARN TO CHANGE

THE WAY YOU THINK.

SO, LIKE YOU SAID, GINGER,
THE CIRCUMSTANCE IS STILL

THE SAME, BUT I CAN THINK
ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY.

IT’S HARD IN THE BEGINNING,
BUT ONCE YOU PRACTICE,

AND ONCE YOU BEGIN
TO SEE GOD WORKING,

AND YOU SEE THIS–
WHATEVER THAT WAS,

YOU SEE GOD TAKE
THAT STORY FOR–

AND TURN IT INTO
SOMETHING AMAZING,

THEN IT MAKES THE PROCESS
EVEN EASIER.

GINGER: WHAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT WORKS.

AND SO, THAT CHANGES THINGS,
AND SLOWLY IT BECOMES

SECOND NATURE, INSTEAD OF,
YOU KNOW–IN THE BEGINNING,

IT’S LIKE, “OH, WAIT A MINUTE,
I NEED TO DO THIS,”

AND THAT’S GOOD.

THAT’S A GREAT PLACE TO START.

BUT THERE WILL COME A TIME
WHERE IT’S SECOND NATURE THAT,

“THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO THINK
INSTEAD OF WHAT I’M THINKING.”

IT’S ALMOST ALWAYS
THE OPPOSITE, RIGHT?

THERE’S A SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE
THAT IS THE OPPOSITE

OF WHAT YOU’RE THINKING.

IF YOU’RE THINKING YOU’RE
WORTHLESS, GOD TELLS YOU,

YOU ARE VALUABLE.

IF YOU ARE AFRAID,
GOD TELLS YOU,

HE IS THERE WITH YOU.

YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE AFRAID.

ERIN: LIKE,
EVEN SITTING HERE,

ON THIS PODCAST,
WE’VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR

ALMOST TWO YEARS
AND EVEN STILL I’LL GET

HERE AND I’M LIKE,
“ERIN, WHO DO YOU THINK

YOU ARE THAT YOU SHOULD
BE SITTING HERE TALKING

WITH JOYCE MEYER AND THESE
WOMEN WHO ARE BRILLIANT?

YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.

LIKE, EVENTUALLY,
THEY’RE GOING TO FIGURE

OUT YOU’RE JUST MAKING IT UP.”
SO–NO, THIS IS NOT LIKE,

A FEEL SORRY FOR ME,
THIS IS ME JUST BEING HONEST.

SO, EVEN, AS LIKE AN ADULT,
WE ALL HAVE THOSE MOMENTS.

GINGER: YEAH, I THINK
WE’VE ALL FELT THAT

AT DIFFERENT TIMES,
WE’VE ALL KIND OF BEEN THERE.

ERIN: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

JAI: YOU HAVE A LOT
OF VALUE THOUGH;

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.

ERIN: BUT THIS IS A PREFACE
TO SAY I DON’T NEED

YOU TO VALIDATE ME.

I KNOW YOU LOVE ME.

YOU CAN TELL ME LATER.

JAI: I’LL TELL YOU LATER.

GINGER: I LOVE JUST
WATCHING THIS CONVERSATION.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: BUT I THINK
WE ALL EXPERIENCE THAT

IN OUR LIVES EVERY DAY.

YOU ARE PUT IN SITUATIONS–
EVEN IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU’RE

SUPPOSED TO BE THERE,
YOU STILL ARE–THE ENEMY

KNOWS WHERE TO GET YOU
AND WHEN TO HIT YOU

AND YOU QUESTION YOURSELF.

JOYCE: I CAN GIVE YOU
SOME GOOD NEWS.

ERIN: I LOVE IT.

JOYCE: WHEN YOU
GET OLD ENOUGH,

YOU FINALLY GET OVER IT.

ERIN: DO YOU?

DO YOU JUST NOT CARE ANYMORE?

JOYCE: YOU JUST GET
TO THE POINT WHERE IT’S LIKE,

“IT IS WHAT IT IS,
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.”

ERIN: I LOVE THAT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.

GINGER: DID YOU HAVE
THAT AT DIFFERENT

TIMES IN YOUR LIFE?

JOYCE: OH, YEAH.

I HAD A LOT OF IT BECAUSE
I WAS ABUSED IN MY CHILDHOOD

AND I CERTAINLY DIDN’T
KNOW WHO I WAS AND TRIED

TO BE LIKE EVERYBODY–
TRIED TO BE LIKE DAVE,

WHO’S NICE AND CALM,
AND MY PASTOR’S WIFE,

WHO WAS SWEET AND MERCIFUL,
AND MY NEIGHBOR,

WHO COULD MAKE HER FAMILY’S
CLOTHES AND HAD A GARDEN.

AND I TRIED IT ALL,
AND BEFORE I FINALLY GOT

AROUND TO JUST BEING ME,
AND FINDING OUT WHO I WAS,

IN CHRIST.

AND, YOU KNOW,
A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL–

IT AMAZES ME, REALLY,
HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL DON’T

UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

GINGER: WELL,
LET’S START THERE,

BECAUSE WE’VE ALL TALKED
ABOUT ON THIS PODCAST.

YOU TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME,
HOW THIS IS VERY LIKELY,

THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING YOU CAN GRASP.

BECAUSE YOU CAN’T EVEN
UNDERSTAND SALVATION;

WHO CHRIST IS AND WHAT
HE’S DONE FOR YOU WITHOUT

THIS KNOWLEDGE.

SO, WHAT DOES IT MEAN
“IN CHRIST” WHEN YOU SAY THAT?

JOYCE: WELL, LET ME JUST
FIRST SAY THAT A LARGE

MAJORITY OF CHURCHES
DON’T EVEN TEACH THIS.

SO, I WAS IN CHURCH FOR
A LOT OF YEARS BEFORE

I KNEW WHO I WAS IN CHRIST.

AND IT’S ACTUALLY, A PHRASE
THAT’S ALL OVER THE BIBLE,

ESPECIALLY, IN PAUL’S LETTERS.

AND I HAVE A THING
ON THE INTERNET FOR ANYBODY

WHO WANTS TO LOOK IT UP CALLED
“KNOWING WHO I AM IN CHRIST.”

AND I DON’T–I THINK
THERE’S LIKE 40 DIFFERENT

THINGS ON HERE,
THAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY,

SAYS THAT WE ARE IN CHRIST.

I WON’T READ ‘EM ALL.

BUT JUST FOR EXAMPLE,
“I AM COMPLETE IN HIM.”

SO, LET’S JUST TAKE AN EXAMPLE,
LIKE SAY, A SINGLE GIRL

IS INVITED TO SOMETHING WHERE
SHE KNOWS EVERYBODY’S

GONNA BE MARRIED COUPLES.

WELL, IF SHE DOESN’T KNOW
WHO SHE IS IN CHRIST,

THEN SHE CAN FEEL LIKE
SHE’S REALLY OUT OF PLACE.

SHE DOESN’T BELONG THERE,
SHE SHOULDN’T BE THERE.

“SOMETHING’S WRONG WITH ME,
BECAUSE I’M NOT MARRIED.”

BUT IF SHE KNOWS THAT
SHE’S COMPLETE IN CHRIST,

THEN SHE DOESN’T HAVE
TO HAVE A MAN TO COMPLETE HER.

SHE’S COMPLETE
IN WHO SHE IS IN HIM.

AND IT’S THE SAME WAY REALLY,
WITH ANYTHING.

LIKE, EVEN, LIKE, WHAT YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT ERIN,

ABOUT FEELING
UNQUALIFIED TO BE HERE.

YOU’RE QUALIFIED IN HIM BECAUSE
YOU MADE YOURSELF AVAILABLE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW,
“I’M ALIVE WITH CHRIST.

I’M FREE FROM THE LAW
OF SIN AND DEATH.

I’M FAR FROM OPPRESSION,
AND I WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR.

I’M BORN OF GOD AND THE EVIL
ONE DOES NOT TOUCH ME.”

AND IT’S JUST, I MEAN,
EVERY ONE OF THESE ARE

JUST ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

AND IF YOU CAN REALLY LEARN
WHO YOU ARE IN CHRIST

AND IT REALLY–WE’RE IN CHRIST
BY FAITH.

WHEN YOU RECEIVE CHRIST
AS YOUR SAVIOR THEN YOU’RE

CONSIDERED TO BE IN CHRIST.

AND SO, IF YOU’RE IN SOMETHING,
WHATEVER THAT SOMETHING GETS,

YOU GET.

SO, WE WERE CONSIDERED
TO BE IN CHRIST WHEN

HE DIED ON THE CROSS.

SO, WHEN HE DIED, WE DIED.

WHEN HE WAS RAISED
FROM THE DEAD,

WE WERE RAISED FROM THE DEAD.

GINGER: HE TOOK OUR SIN.

JOYCE: YEAH, HE TOOK OUR SIN.

WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH
AND WAS SEATED AT THE RIGHT

HAND OF THE FATHER,
THE BIBLE SAYS, IN EPHESIANS,

THAT WE TOO,
ARE SEATED AT THE RIGHT

HAND OF GOD.

SO, LITERALLY,
BELIEVERS LIVE IN TWO PLACES.

WE LIVE HERE WITH OUR
FEET ON THE EARTH,

BUT WE’RE ALSO LIVING
IN HEAVENLY PLACES WITH CHRIST.

AND WHEN YOU CAN REALLY GRASP
HOW MUCH HE LOVES YOU,

AND WHAT HE’S DONE FOR YOU,
AND THAT HE SAYS,

HE NEVER WILL LEAVE
YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU,

HIS THOUGHTS TOWARD
YOU ARE MORE THAN

THE SANDS OF THE SEA,
YOU’RE MADE ACCEPTABLE IN HIM;

AND IF YOU MEDITATE ON THOSE
THINGS INSTEAD OF WHAT’S

WRONG WITH YOU ALL THE TIME,
PRETTY–THEN AFTER A WHILE,

YOU GET IT.

BUT IT’S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE
THAT I TALK TO ABOUT KNOWING

WHO YOU ARE IN CHRIST–
CUZ THAT’S THE ONLY THING

THAT’S GONNA KEEP YOU
FROM BEING INSECURE.

EITHER THAT, OR YOU’RE GONNA TRY
TO GET IT THROUGH YOUR CAREER,

HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE,
HOW YOU LOOK, WHAT YOU WEAR,

WHO YOU KNOW.

AND I’M DONE WITH ALL THAT.

YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH
ALL THAT AND THAT’S ALL JUST

A BUNCH OF FLUFF AND AIR.

YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT’S AN IMPOSTER, THAT IS.

BECAUSE IT SAYS,
“COME HERE AND I’LL MAKE

YOU COMPLETE.

I’LL MAKE YOU SECURE.”
AND THEN IT FAILS YOU,

JUST WHEN YOU NEED IT THE MOST.

ERIN: IT’S REALLY
INTERESTING,

CUZ WHEN YOU GOOGLE:
“KNOWING WHO YOU

ARE IN CHRIST,” ONLINE,
YOUR LIST POPS UP,

AND VERY FEW OTHER
THINGS COME UP.

YOU’LL GET A COUPLE
OF BLOGS FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS
TO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING,

THAT’S NOT A PART
OF OUR CULTURE.

AND PEOPLE DON’T KNOW
TO BE TAUGHT OR TO LEARN

WHO THEY ARE IN CHRIST.

“I HAVE A CAREER AND I’M
GONNA CHASE THAT,

AND I WILL FIGURE
IT OUT THERE,”

OR “I’LL BE VALIDATED
IN THIS RELATIONSHIP.”

BUT WE AREN’T TAUGHT,
OFTEN ENOUGH–

JOYCE: AND IT’S ACTUALLY,
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT

FOUNDATIONAL DOCTRINES
THAT PAUL TAUGHT,

“WHO WE ARE IN CHRIST.”
GINGER: AND IT TAKES

HEARING IT AND OVER,
AND OVER, AND OVER,

REALLY, FOR IT TO SINK IN.

SO, WHAT WE’RE GONNA DO,
RIGHT NOW, IS WE’RE GOING

TO LISTEN TO ANOTHER WAY
THAT JOYCE EXPLAINS IT,

IN ONE OF HER TEACHINGS,
AND THEN, WE’LL COME BACK

AND WE’LL TALK MORE ABOUT IT.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:21:
“FOR OUR SAKE HE MADE CHRIST

[VIRTUALLY],” THAT MEANS REALLY,
“TO BE SIN WHO KNEW NO SIN, SO

THAT IN AND THROUGH HIM WE MIGHT
BECOME [ENDUED WITH, VIEWED AS

BEING IN, AND EXAMPLES OF]
THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD

[WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE, APPROVED
AND ACCEPTABLE AND IN RIGHT

RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM,
BY HIS GOODNESS].”

NOW, TO BE HONEST, YOU COULD
TAKE THAT ONE VERSE AND STUDY IT

FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND
MAYBE, IF THAT’S ALL YOU LOOKED

AT FOR TWO WEEKS AND THOUGHT
ABOUT IT AND MEDITATED ON IT,

IT MIGHT BEGIN TO START
TO SINK ON–SINK IN.

JESUS TOOK YOUR SIN BECAUSE HE’S
GOOD, NOT BECAUSE YOU’RE GOOD.

HE TOOK THE PENALTY, HE TOOK
THE PUNISHMENT, AND HE GAVE

YOU–GAVE YOU HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS
THAT HE EARNED BY NEVER DOING

ANYTHING WRONG AND IT–WE CAN’T
FIGURE IT OUT MATHEMATICALLY IN

OUR HEAD BUT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT
IF WE BELIEVE THAT THEN GOD

VIEWS US OR HE SEES US AS HIS
VERY OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS BECAUSE

HE SEES US THROUGH CHRIST.

HE SEES US–HE DOESN’T SEE US IN
OUR OLD SINFUL STATE, HE SEES US

AS THESE NEW CREATURES THAT WE
ARE, WHERE?

INSIDE, IN OUR SPIRIT.

YOU ARE A SPIRIT, YOU HAVE
A SOUL, YOU LIVE IN A BODY.

SO YOU HAVE ALL THIS AMAZINGLY
WONDERFUL, GOOD STUFF ON

THE INSIDE OF YOU.

NOW, YOU STILL HAVE A FLESH TOO
THAT HAS THE SIN PRINCIPLE

IN IT.

THIS IS WHY AFTER YOU BECOME
A REALLY COMMITTED CHRISTIAN YOU

SOMETIMES FEEL THAT YOU’RE
IN A WAR ALL THE TIME.

DO YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU’RE
TWO PEOPLE?

“THE THING I WANNA DO
I CAN’T DO.

THE THING I DON’T WANNA DO,
I’M ALWAYS DOING.”

I MEAN, I CAN MAKE SUCH PLANS
FOR HOLINESS LAYING IN BED.

[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]

JOYCE: I MEAN, I’M NOT GONNA
SAY ANYTHING WRONG THAT DAY.

I’M GONNA BE SO SUBMISSIVE AND
SUCH A GOOD WIFE, AND I’M NOT

GONNA TALK BACK AND I’M GONNA
BE KIND.

I’M NOT GONNA GOSSIP
ABOUT ANYBODY.

I MEAN, I’M JUST–I AM SO GOOD
UNTIL I PUT MY FEET ON

THE FLOOR.

GINGER: CAN’T WE ALL
RELATE TO THAT?

WE MAKE THESE WONDERFUL PLANS
FOR OUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS,

AND BOY, THEN LIKE YOU SAID.

JAI: I’M SO PERFECT BEFORE
I GET OUT OF BED.

GINGER: YEAH, OH YEAH.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: FULL OF JOY.

JAI: SO FULL OF JOY.

JOYCE: LISTEN TO THIS
ONE SCRIPTURE.

THIS JUST LEAVES YOUR MOUTH
HANGING OPEN IN AWE.

“I AM HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME,
BEFORE HIM, IN LOVE.”

GINGER: OKAY, NOW,
LET ME ASK YOU WHAT IS GOING

THROUGH PEOPLE’S MINDS.

“I KNOW BETTER THAN THAT.

I HAVE MESSED UP SO MANY TIMES,
I’M NOT WITHOUT BLAME.

SO, HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR ME,
IN MY IMPERFECTIONS?”

JOYCE: WELL, SEE,
THEY’RE MISSING THE TWO WORDS.

“I AM HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME,
‘BEFORE HIM’ IN LOVE.”

AND THAT’S WHAT YOU
HAVE TO LOOK FOR.

EVERY ONE OF THESE–
“I AM COMPLETE IN HIM.”

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

IT’S–I CALL
IT THE DIVINE EXCHANGE.

HE TAKES ALL OF OUR BADNESS
AND GIVES US ALL

OF HIS GOODNESS.

YOU KNOW,
HE TAKES ALL OF OUR SIN,

EVERYTHING, AND HE GIVES
US ALL OF HIS GOODNESS.

I LIKEN IT TO, WHEN I MARRIED,
DAVE, ALWAYS SAY,

“I DIDN’T HAVE A CAR,
BUT HE HAD A CAR.

AND AS SOON
AS HE AND I WERE MARRIED,

SUDDENLY I HAD A CAR.”
BUT I MAKE A POINT

THAT I DIDN’T HAVE THAT
WHILE WE WERE DATING.

IT WAS AFTER I SAID, “I DO.”
SO, SOME PEOPLE ARE

STILL JUST DATING JESUS,
AND THEY NEED TO GET

AROUND TO THE, “YES, LORD.”
GINGER: A FULL-ON COMMITMENT.

JOYCE: A FULL-ON COMMITMENT,
AND BEGIN TO WALK

IN WHAT’S THEIRS.

WE’RE CO-INHERITORS WITH HIM;
EVERYTHING THAT

HE INHERITED FROM GOD,
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT WE’RE

JOINT HEIRS WITH HIM,
WE GET TOO.

AND SO, YOU EITHER BELIEVE THAT
OR YOU BELIEVE HOW YOU FEEL.

AND I BELIEVED HOW I FELT–
GINGER: THOSE ARE

THE TWO OPTIONS.

JOYCE: I BELIEVED HOW I FELT,
AND WHAT I THOUGHT,

AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID
ABOUT ME FOR YEARS AND YEARS,

AND ALL I WAS, WAS MISERABLE.

AND WHEN, I FINALLY DECIDED
TO BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD

OVER HOW I FELT
AND WHAT I THOUGHT,

THEN I STARTED HAVING SOME JOY,
AND SOME PEACE,

AND BEGINNING TO ENJOY MY LIFE.

JAI: I REALLY–I LOVE THAT.

I LOVE THE ANALOGY OF THE CAR.

THAT JUST MAKES IT SO REAL,
YOU KNOW.

AND I’M JUST WALKING
INTO SOMETHING,

THESE PAST COUPLE YEARS,
LIKE WHERE I’M REALLY LIKE,

GRASPING, HOW WRONG I HAD IT,
YOU KNOW?

I THOUGHT I KNEW GOD,
AND YOU KNOW, I KNEW WHO I WAS,

YOU KNOW.

BUT LOOKING BACK AND JUST
REFLECTING–YOU ASKED EARLIER,

YOU KNOW, IF I’VE EVER
DEALT WITH THAT.

I JUST–I’VE REALLY TAKEN THESE
PAST COUPLE YEARS TO REALLY

DO SOME LIFE REFLECTION,
YOU KNOW.

TO JUST BE LIKE, “WHAT IS UP?

LIKE, WHAT, LIKE–
WHAT ARE THE GOOD THINGS,

BAD THINGS, YOU KNOW,
WHAT CAN I WORK ON RIGHT NOW?”

AND JUST LOOKING BACK,
I REALIZED HOW MUCH

OF AN IMPOSTER I’VE BEEN
THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE.

LIKE, I WAS–I’M A PASTOR’S KID,
EVEN THOUGH MY RELATIONSHIP

WITH MY DAD WASN’T PERFECT.

BUT I’M A PASTOR’S KID,
AND I THOUGHT THAT,

THAT WAS MY IDENTITY, AT FIRST.

EVERYWHERE I WENT, I WAS,
YOU KNOW,

PASTOR VAUGHN’S DAUGHTER,
LIKE, THAT WAS MY THING.

YOU KNOW,
I WAS A WORSHIP LEADER.

THEN–BUT THEN,
GOING TO A SCHOOL WHERE

I WAS THE ONLY–ONE OF THE ONLY
BLACK GIRLS, LIKE, IN MY SCHOOL.

AND I, LOOK BACK
AT PICTURES OF ME,

EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL,
WHERE I HAD BLONDE HAIR.

I GOT BLUE CONTACTS.

I DIDN’T REALIZE–I DIDN’T EVEN
REALIZE, I LOOK CRAZY, LIKE…

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: I DIDN’T EVEN
REALIZE–I WANTED TO FIT

IN SO BADLY THAT I EVEN–
I HAVE LONG–

I STILL LOVE BRAIDS,
DON’T GET ME WRONG.

I GOT A COUPLE BLONDE
STREAKS IN THERE,

AIN’T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

BUT, I’M SAYIN’, LIKE,
I HAD A FULL HEAD OF BLONDE

BRAIDS AND BLUE CONTACTS
WANTING TO FIT IN SO BADLY.

UNTIL THE FACT THAT,
EVEN WHEN I GOT WHEN

I GOT MARRIED,
I BECAME HIS WIFE, YOU KNOW?

AND SO, NOW,
IN THIS SEASON OF MY LIFE,

TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT,
I’M LIKE, “GOD,

WHO AM I FOR REAL?”
AND I REALIZE, ALL THAT TIME,

LIKE, I WAS DATING GOD,
BUT I WAS MARRIED

TO THE OTHER SITUATIONS.

I WAS MARRIED TO–MY IDENTITY
WAS IN MY FATHER,

OR WHO I LOOKED
LIKE IN SCHOOL, OR WHAT I DID,

OR THE JOB I GOT,
THE DEGREES I GOT, THE MARRIAGE.

BUT NOW, IT’S REALLY–IT WAS
A REALITY CHECK.

AND SO, WHEN YOU BROUGHT
THAT UP IT JUST REALLY STRUCK

SOMETHING IN ME LIKE,
I AM SO AT A PLACE NOW,

WHERE I JUST WANT TO BE LIKE,
ONE WITH HIM THAT

THE CAR IS NOW MINE TOO.

YOU KNOW, LIKE,
MY IDENTITY IS FOUND IN HIM,

NOT IN WHO I’M WITH,
OR WHAT I’M DOING.

GINGER: HOW ARE YOU MAKING
THAT SHIFT?

JAI: TALKING LIKE THIS.

BEING–AND ACTUALLY,
HAVING THOSE REALITY

CHECK MOMENTS, TO LOOK BACK.

TAKING THAT TIME TO REFLECT
AND BE, LIKE, “GIRL!

YOU NOT THIS HIGH AND MIGHTY.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, THAT’S NOTHING.

NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU DID,
NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU DO.”

LIKE, IT’S ABOUT WHO
YOU ARE WITH HIM,

AND REALLY JUST,
HAVING THOSE HONEST

CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD,
AND BEING HONEST WITH HIM,

AND REPENTING, AND SAYING,
“GOD, YOU KNOW WHAT?

I HAD IT ALL WRONG.

TEACH ME WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.”
I’M ALMOST FEELING LIKE–

AND IT’S HARD AT ALMOST 40 NOW,
LIKE, THAT I’M–I FEEL LIKE

I’M STARTING OVER IN AN EXTENT–
INTO AN EXTENT.

AND IT’S NOT A BAD THING.

AND I’M ENCOURAGED
BY JOYCE, LIKE,

THE FACT THAT YOU TALK
ABOUT THIS STUFF.

AND I KNOW THAT–
LIKE, HOW OLD WERE YOU,

WHEN YOU MARRIED, DAVE?

AND YOU REALIZED–
JOYCE: TWENTY-SIX.

JAI: OH, OKAY.

SO–BUT I’M SAYING–LIKE THE–
WHEN I HEAR LIKE, HOW EVEN–

JOYCE: I DIDN’T REALIZE IT,
WHEN I FIRST MARRIED DAVE.

I GAVE HIM A LOT OF TROUBLE,
FOR A LONG TIME,

BECAUSE I DIDN’T KNOW
WHO I WAS IN CHRIST.

IF YOU DON’T KNOW–
IF YOU DON’T HAVE YOUR

IDENTITY STRAIGHT
AND KNOW WHO YOU ARE,

YOU NORMALLY PUT THAT
OFF ON OTHER PEOPLE.

AND YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE
YOU FEEL GOOD.

JAI: YOU WANT THEM TO MAKE
YOU WHOLE.

JOYCE: AND YOU KNOW,
I REMEMBER, IT WAS A FEW YEARS,

BUT GOD TOLD ME,
HE SAID, “STOP GIVING

DAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR YOUR JOY.”

ERIN: I REMEMBER–
I’VE HEARD YOU SAY

THAT A COUPLE TIMES,
AND I’VE ALWAYS FELT

REALLY ANNOYED BY IT,
CUZ I’M LIKE,

“THAT’S WHAT I’M DOING, ERIN.

I AM PUTTING MY FEELINGS
OF MYSELF ON SOMEBODY ELSE.

I HAVE TO TAKE THAT
BACK TO GOD.”

YOU’RE NOT ANNOYING.

WHAT YOU TOLD ME WAS HARD,
BECAUSE IT’S WHERE I WAS.

IT’S SO GOOD.

JAI: IT’S NOT EASY.

JOYCE: AND YOU KNOW,
SOMETHING THAT’S IMPORTANT

FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW:
NO MATTER HOW OLD YOU ARE,

THE DEVIL LOVES NOTHING
BETTER THAN TO TRY TO MAKE

YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT YOURSELF.

AND I JUST WENT
THROUGH A PERIOD OF–

I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT WAS,
MAYBE A COUPLE OF WEEKS,

WHERE I GOT FOCUSED ON:
YOU’RE NOT PRAYING ENOUGH,

YOU’RE NOT DOING THIS,
YOU’RE NOT DOING THAT,

YOU’RE NOT DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

AND SO, CLEARLY, THIS MORNING,
WHEN I FIRST GOT UP,

I HEARD THE LORD SPEAK
IN MY HEART AND SAY,

“I DON’T WANT YOU TO THINK
ABOUT ANYTHING THIS MORNING

UNLESS IT’S SOMETHING
GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.”

AND SEE, GOD ACTUALLY WANTS
US TO HAVE GOOD THOUGHTS

ABOUT OUR SELF, “IN HIM.”
I’M CREATIVE IN HIM.

I’M TALENTED IN HIM.

I’M FORGIVEN IN HIM.

I CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH HIM.

I’M COMPLETE IN HIM.

AND–PEOPLE FEEL
LIKE THAT’S WRONG.

YOU KNOW, WE–
SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,

WE FEEL LIKE IT’S “HOLY”
TO THINK THAT YOU’RE A ROTTEN,

NO-GOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT,
THAT’S WHAT GOD WANTS.

BUT HE DOESN’T WANT THAT.

HE REALLY CAN’T DO ANYTHING
WITH US UNTIL WE KNOW

WHO WE ARE IN HIM.

JAI: THAT’S SO BEAUTIFUL.

IT’S BEAUTIFUL TO,
LIKE, OWN THAT.

AND I’M WALKING IN THAT NOW.

THAT WHEN YOU ASKED, LIKE,
“WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT YOU’RE DOING?”
I’M DOING THAT.

I’M ACTUALLY,
ALLOWING MYSELF TO SPEAK,

NICE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF,
AND NOT BE DEFINED BY THE THINGS

I’VE BEEN THROUGH IN MY PAST
THAT DID IDENTIFY–

THAT DID DEFINE WHO I WAS,
FOR SEASON.

LIKE, IT WAS MY STORY AND I FELT
LIKE YOU CAN’T–I DIDN’T KNOW

MYSELF PAST MY STORY.

GINGER: YOU’RE DOING
SOMETHING REALLY POWERFUL,

AND WHAT YOU’RE
ALWAYS TEACHING US,

IS TAKING THE POWER
AWAY FROM THAT IMPOSTER,

THROUGH OUR OWN HONESTY
AND VULNERABILITY.

BECAUSE THAT IMPOSTOR
IS WHAT’S OUT THERE,

TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY
THINK EVERYTHING’S GREAT.

YOU KNOW, “I’VE GOT
IT ALL TOGETHER.

EVERYTHING IS LOOKING
GOOD OVER HERE.”

BUT WHEN WE CAN JUST
BE VULNERABLE AND SAY,

“HEY, I’M JUST GUESSING AT THIS.

I’M WALKING WITH GOD AND HE’S
TEACHING ME SO MANY THINGS,

BUT I’M SO FAR FROM PERFECT,”
IT TAKES THE POWER AWAY

FROM THAT WHOLE FEELING
OF BEING AN IMPOSTER,

AND IT HELPS KEEP YOU IN CHRIST.

BECAUSE I THINK, THIS WALK,
WITH CHRIST, IS DEFINITELY,

A BIT OF A–IN AND OUT,
SLIPPERY SLOPE SOMETIMES.

WE’RE NEVER IN AND OUT OF OUR
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST

BECAUSE WHAT HE DID COUNTS
FOR EVERYTHING.

BUT I TAKE STEPS FORWARD
AND BACKWARDS, SOMETIMES.

JOYCE: WELL, SURE,
YOUR MIND–

THE DEVIL ATTACKS, YOUR MIND,
THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND.

HE ATTACKS YOUR MIND
AND HE DOES IT EVERYBODY.

AND JUST ABOUT THE TIME,
YOU THINK YOU’VE GOT IT

NAILED DOWN, YOU KNOW,
THEN, HE’LL ATTACK YOU

AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK
TO THE BEGINNING.

BUT I–IT JUST CAME TO ME
SO STRONGLY THIS MORNING,

WHAT PAUL SAID, “ONE THING I DO,
IT IS MY ONE ASPIRATION

FORGETTING WHAT LIES BEHIND
AND PRESSING ON TO THE THINGS

THAT ARE AHEAD.”
SO, EVERY, SINGLE DAY

HIS MERCY’S NEW,
AND HE DOESN’T WANT

US THINKING ABOUT
YESTERDAY’S MISTAKES.

WE’RE SORRY FOR ‘EM.

WE WISH WE WOULDN’T
HAVE DONE IT,

BUT WE’LL PROBABLY,
DO IT AGAIN AND NEED

FORGIVENESS AGAIN.

BUT I THINK, BEFORE YOU CAN EVER
KNOW WHO YOU ARE IN CHRIST,

I THINK, YOU HAVE TO KNOW
WHO YOU’RE NOT IN YOURSELF.

SO, YOU KINDA HAVE TO–
I LIKE TO SAY, “COME TO THE END

OF YOURSELF.”
SO, IT SEEMS LIKE GOD JUST HAS

TO STAND BACK AND LET YOU
TRY AND FAIL, TRY AND FAIL,

TRY AND FAIL, TRY AND FAIL,
TRY AND FAIL,

UNTIL YOU FINALLY REALIZE,
“I CAN’T DO THIS.

I CAN’T LIVE THE CHRISTIAN LIFE.

GOD’S GOT TO LIVE
IT THROUGH ME.”

JAI: IT’S EASY TO THINK–
WHEN YOU’RE HAVING A TOUGH TIME,

ESPECIALLY, TO ALMOST PUT–
TO DOUBT IF GOD LOVES YOU.

GINGER: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.

JAI: FOR ME–AND YOU ALL
KNOW I’M MORE LIKE

A PRACTICAL PERSON.

I LIKE TO LIKE MAKE A LIST.

I HAVE TO BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN
MY MIND STARTS TO SCATTER

AND I START THINKING ABOUT LIFE,
AND REALITY, AND FUTURE,

IT’S LIKE…

YOU KNOW?

AND A LOT OF TIMES
I WOULD ALWAYS BE LIKE,

“WHAT IS A PRACTICAL STEP
TO MAKE ME STOP GOING CRAZY

WITH MY THOUGHTS,” YOU KNOW?

AND NUMBER ONE WAS PUTTING
ON THE HELMET OF SALVATION,

BECAUSE THAT HELMET
OF SALVATION DOESN’T STOP

ME FROM THINKING IT,
IT JUST TRIGGERS ME TO THINK

ABOUT WHAT I NEED TO THINK.

CUZ THOSE THOUGHTS
ARE GONNA COME.

IT IS NOT LIKE A MAGICAL
HAT THAT YOU CAN PUT

ON AND IT’S LIKE,
“OH, IT’S ALL GONE.

I NEVER THINK–”
NO, YOU’RE GONNA–

GINGER: NO BAD THOUGHT
EVER COME.

JAI: YOU’RE GONNA
THINK BAD THOUGHTS,

BUT YOU HAVE TO DISCIPLINE
YOURSELF TO REMEMBER,

THINKING ON THESE THINGS,
“WHATSOEVER THINGS ARE LOVELY,

WHATSOEVER THINGS ARE PURE,
WHATSOEVER THINGS

ARE OF GOOD REPORT,
THINK ON THESE THINGS.”

AND FOR ME, FOR SEASON,
IT WAS LITERALLY WRITING

IT DOWN.

LIKE, I LITERALLY,
I’LL PUT POST-IT NOTES

SOMETIMES ON MY MIRROR
JUST TO FORCE ME TO THINK

ON WHAT I NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

GINGER: I LOVE THAT BECAUSE
THIS IS A VERY SPIRITUAL THING

THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO, THIS HELMET THAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT IS NOT SOMETHING

WE CAN SEE WITH OUR EYES,
BUT IS JUST AS REAL.

AND AS YOU SAID, IT DOESN’T
MAKE THE PROBLEMS GO AWAY,

BUT IT’S LIKE THE HOLY SPIRIT
COVERING YOUR THOUGHTS,

AND YOU ASKING FOR HIM
TO DO THAT FOR YOU EVERYDAY.

AND MY HELMET, YOU KNOW,
I’VE UPGRADED OVER THE YEARS,

AND SO, I ALSO, YOU KNOW,
I HAVE THIS EYE SHIELD

SO I CAN SEE MORE WHAT GOD
WANTS ME TO SEE AND NOT

MISS THE STUFF.

I WANNA HEAR THE WAY THAT
GOD WANTS ME TO HEAR,

AND NOT HEAR THINGS THAT
I HEAR, THAT ARE THINGS LIKE,

YOU KNOW, “OH, THEY DON’T
LIKE ME,”

CUZ OF HOW I TOOK
WHAT THEY SAID.

INSTEAD OF, MAYBE,
I HEAR HURT IN THEIR

VOICE AND I THINK ABOUT
WHAT THEY NEED, YOU KNOW?

AND THEN, THE OTHER THING
MINE HAS IS A GREAT BIG, OLE

MOUTH GUARD BECAUSE I WANT
TO SPEAK THE WORD OF GOD AND NOT

ALL OF THE JUNK THAT COULD POUR
OUT OF MY MOUTH ON MY OWN.

AND I SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT,
IN THE WAY OF LOOKING

AT IT LIKE, I’M GONNA PUT
SUNSCREEN ON, RIGHT?

I CAN’T SEE IT, WHEN I PUT
IT ON, IT DISAPPEARS INTO

MY SKIN, BUT IT’S GOING
TO PROTECT MY SKIN FROM

THE SUN.

AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW,
IT’S BURNING, AND BREAKING OUT,

AND SUN POISONING, AND ALL KINDS
OF NASTY LITTLE AGING FACTORS

THAT I JUST DON’T WANT, SO.

[LAUGHING]
AND THE SAME LIKE,

WHEN I GO HIKING.

I PUT ON MY HIKING BOOTS
TO PROTECT MY FEET, OR AFTER

ALL THAT WALKING, YOU KNOW,
MY FEET ARE GONNA FEEL TERRIBLE,

BUT THEY’RE JUST
COZY AND CLOUD-LIKE

IN MY HIKING BOOTS.

SO, I THINK ABOUT THAT
WITH THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD.

IT’S THE AMAZING FACT THAT
MY GOD THOUGHT TO INCLUDE

SHOES FOR ME.

JAI: HE’S SO KIND.

GINGER: HE’S SO WONDERFUL.

HE KNOWS ME SO WELL,
HE KNOWS HOW MUCH

I LOVE GREAT SHOES,
AND HE INCLUDED THEM

IN THE FULL ARMOR.

AND THE READINESS OF–TO SPREAD
THE GOSPEL OF PEACE.

IT’S LIKE, WHAT COULD BE BETTER
THAN SHOES OF PEACE?

ERIN: YEAH, I–ANOTHER
PRACTICAL THING I DID.

I WAS GOOGLING LOTS,
THIS DAY WHEN I WAS STUDYING.

SO, I GOOGLED THE DEFINITION
OF ALL THOSE DIFFERENT

PIECES THAT YOU PUT ON.

AND THAT’S A REALLY
GREAT THING TO DO,

JUST LIKE A WORD STUDY.

I LOVE A GOOD WORD STUDY.

AND I CAN’T REMEMBER
WHICH ONE IT WAS, AND I’M TRYING

TO FIND IT IN HERE,
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS–

ONE OF THESE–
OH, NO, IT WAS PART

OF MY SPARTAN STUDY.

BUT THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW
THE ARMOR AND SHIELD WERE

BUFFED TO A BRILLIANT SHINE
AND GLINTED IN THE SUN.

GINGER: DID YOU SEE HER FACE?

ERIN: I KNOW, I KNOW!

GINGER: IT’S SO CUTE.

ERIN’S FACE JUST LIT UP!

ERIN: IN THE SUN…

BUT LIKE, I HAD THIS VISUAL
IMAGE OF THE FACT THAT,

YOU KNOW, THEY’RE GETTING
ALL THEIR STUFF READY

AND IT’S SHINY.

BUT LIKE, THAT’S THE WHOLE
POINT IS FOR OUR ARMOR

TO GLINT IN THE SUN.

LIKE, THAT’S WHAT THE POINT IS,
IS THAT WE’RE REFLECTING

GOD IN ALL WE DO,
AND WE CANNOT REFLECT

HIM IF WE AREN’T PUTTING
ON WHAT HE’S GIVEN US.

GINGER: LET’S SAY, WE DON’T
PUT ON THE FULL ARMOR OF GOD.

THAT’S WHEN I OFTEN FEEL
VERY UNPROTECTED, YOU KNOW,

VERY VULNERABLE IN A BAD WAY,
ALMOST NAKED BEFORE

EVERYTHING THAT’S OUT THERE,
BECAUSE I’M TRYING

TO DO IT ON MY OWN, RIGHT?

I DIDN’T TAKE THE TIME
TO INVITE GOD IN, TO ASK HIM

TO GET ME READY FOR THE DAY,
TO PROTECT ME AND PREPARE ME,

WHICH MEANS I’M SO PRIDEFUL
THAT I DON’T NEED ANY OF THAT,

I’M GOING TO DO IT ALL
ON MY OWN.

AND THAT IS WHERE MY TOES
GET STEPPED ON,

AND MY HEART GETS BROKEN,
AND I’M THINKING

ALL THE WRONG THINGS.

AND IF WE DON’T WANT TO FEEL
THAT NAKEDNESS THAT WE ALL

FEEL SO OFTEN, THIS IS A GREAT
WAY TO COMBAT THAT,

TO COUNTERACT IT.

JAI: TRUTH MOMENT.

I DID NOT ARM MYSELF YESTERDAY.

I DID NOT, I GOT BUSY.

EARLY IN THE MORNING,
I GOT BUSY.

AND I EVEN THOUGH I HAD MY PLAN,
I STARTED, I DID SOME

OF MY THINGS BUT I DID
NOT PAUSE TO ACTUALLY

PUT ALL OF MY ARMOR ON.

AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY,
IT JUST SLIPPED MY MIND.

BUT, LIKE YOU SAID,
I FELT SO INCOMPLETE.

AND THOSE FIERY DARTS
OF THE ENEMY, THEY WERE

PIERCING IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND LIKE, HAD I DONE THAT–
NOW, YOU CAN’T LIVE IN REGRET

BUT HAD I DONE THAT,
I PROBABLY–

I WAS HIT WITH SOME
MORE BLOWS LIKE,

THIS YEAR WILL NOT STOP
WITH BLOWS, YOU KNOW?

AND SO, THIS IS WHY I SAY
IT’S A NECESSITY FOR ME NOW.

LIKE, I HAVE TO PUT
IT ON BECAUSE IF I DON’T,

I DON’T KNOW WHAT BLOW
I’M GONNA GET DAY-TO-DAY.

AND SO, LIKE, THAT’S NOT GONNA
STOP THE ENEMY FROM ATTACKING

BUT ME BEING PREPARED AND READY
IS A NECESSITY FOR ME.

AND I WASN’T.

AND SO, I DIDN’T PASS EVERY
TEST YESTERDAY, LIKE,

I DIDN’T BECAUSE MY EMOTIONS
WERE ON HIGH CUZ I WAS HIT

WITH SOME REALLY HEAVY THINGS.

I’M LIKE, “UGH, I THOUGHT
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COME

OVER THE HUMP.”
BUT YOU KNOW,

YOU GOTTA STAY READY.

LIKE, YOU HAVE TO STAY READY.

SO, I ENCOURAGE YOU,
IT’S A NECESSITY.

GINGER: WE DON’T KNOW
THE THINGS THAT THIS ARMOR’S

PROTECTING US FROM.

THERE’S SO MANY THINGS
THAT WE WILL NEVER KNOW

THAT GOD SHIELDED US FROM,
AND SO MANY THINGS THAT

WE FACE THAT ARE GOING FAR
BETTER THAN THEY COULD

HAVE BECAUSE GOD IS WALKING
THROUGH IT WITH US.

JAI: AND THIS IS SUCH
AS GIFT THAT GOD GAVE US THAT,

HE’S LIKE, “NO, I’VE GIVEN YOU
THE AUTHORITY TO DRESS YOURSELF,

YOU KNOW?”
GINGER: YEAH, IT’S NOT

A LEGALISTIC THING, LIKE,
IF YOU DO THIS SOMETHING–

IF YOU DON’T DO THIS, SOMETHING
BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT’S NOT THAT.

JAI: YOU KNOW, LIKE,
I’VE WATCHED YOU WHEN PEYTON

DRESSES HERSELF, OR YOU KNOW,
IS PROUD OF SOMETHING.

AS A MAMA, YOU’RE LIKE,
“LOOK AT HER.”

THE OUTFIT COULD BE AWFUL.

ERIN: TERRIBLE.

JAI: “YOU DID THAT.”
THOSE FROZEN PANTIES ARE

BACKWARDS, BUT, “YOU DID IT.”
ERIN: BUT, THEY’RE ON.

JAI: THEY’RE ON, AND SO–
BUT I’M SAYING, LIKE,

GOD HAS GIVEN US THAT
ABILITY TO DRESS OURSELVES,

BECAUSE HE LOVES US SO MUCH.

HE’S LIKE, “HEY DAUGHTER,
HEY SON, YOU CAN DRESS YOURSELF.

AND THIS IS THE OUTFIT
I PICKED OUT FOR YOU.

AND IT’S THE BEST OUTFIT
AND IT’LL PROTECT YOU.”

SO, I THINK IT’S COOL.

THERE’S A CONFIDENCE THAT COMES
WITH KNOWING THAT YOU’VE

DRESSED YOURSELF IN SOMETHING
THAT’LL PROTECT YOU.

GINGER: THE WONDERFUL THING
ABOUT PUTTING ON THE FULL

ARMOR OF GOD,
IS NO MATTER WHAT COMES,

WE’RE NOT FIGHTING
IT ON OUR OWN.

GINGER: THAT REALLY
IS SO COMFORTING,

KNOWING THAT WE ARE
NOT ALONE.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH
NEGATIVE THOUGHTS BOMBARD US,

GOD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.

HE’S NOT GONNA SAY,
“I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU

JUST THOUGHT,
SO YOU’RE ON YOUR OWN.”

YOU CAN STOP THOSE
NEGATIVE THOUGHTS.

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT
YOURSELF IN A HEALTHY WAY.

NOW, DID YOU HEAR ME THERE?

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT
YOURSELF IN A POSITIVE,

HEALTHY–WORD–WAY,
ACCORDING TO WHAT

GOD’S WORD SAYS ABOUT YOU.

YOU HAVE TO START
DOING THAT TODAY.

AND YOU HAVE THE TOOLS
YOU NEED TO DO IT.

SO, PRAY, PUT ON THAT FULL
ARMOR OF GOD, PRACTICE,

AND NEVER GIVE UP.

SO, LET US HELP YOU TO LEARN
TO USE GOD’S WORD TO WIN

THE BATTLE IN YOUR MIND.

WE HAVE A FREE RESOURCE
FOR YOU THAT I THINK

IS GOING TO HELP SO MUCH.

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YOU’RE GOING TO START
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