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how many of you are afraid to talk
openly about about race white people
need to talk among themselves about they
should be able to talk to anybody about
radon yeah first of all we can’t
legislate hate so talking amongst
yourself is not going to solve anything
people need to have the courage to
dialogue openly with people of all
different nationalities and truthfully
about the pain that has existed in this
country for century after century after
century I’m afraid of screwing up though
I want to have the conversation are they
afraid to listen about race I think
we’re so busy talking about it but we
have to have empathy and I think that’s
one thing that’s missing when we talk
about racism bethey are you afraid to
talk about race good morning
transformation Church I am so excited
about what God is about to do today for
a second week in the row I’m seated and
y’all know that means we have something
for real to talk about today I believe
God has by His Holy Spirit hijacked this
whole relationship Gold Series because
he wants to get a message to us his
church and his people so I don’t know
where you’re watching from today but I’m
here today with a lot more Hope than I
had last week I believe that God is
doing something spectacular and the fact
that he’s doing it in our homes are on
our torches right now or wherever you’re
watching this from I believe that this
is a sign that God has paused everything
in the world to highlight some things
that he wants to transform and it’s just
so happens that the name of this church
is transformation Church and we’re not
shying away from anything we’re
advancing towards it so right now I want
to know where you’re watching from all
over the world I got my cell phone here
right now and I need you to tell me
where you’re watching from I want to
know where transfer
Meishan is happening right now I want to
know where you and your family are
gathered right now come on I’m seeing
people all over the world come on
there’s a lot of people in Africa
there’s a lot of people that are here in
the US there’s a lot of people that are
are streaming right now in other states
and in other countries and other
counties Germany I see Detroit in the
house um Dallas Texas transformation
nation somebody said from a hospital bed
see that’s the thing that I need you to
understand that the reason why we have
to keep showing up and we have to keep
praying and we’re gonna always be here
is because somebody needs hope and today
even in the crisis that we’re in the the
many pandemics that we’re in in our
world of health pandemic a racial
pandemic a financial pandemic all the
pandemics were in we believe that Jesus
Christ is the hope of the world and so
today we get to have a unique
conversation transformation church is a
place that is unique because um we get
to have conversations and our staff in
our leadership team in our church that
many people do not get to have because
of a lack of diversity a transformation
church we are a very diverse church and
we decided from the very beginning that
we would be a hot church humble open and
transparent and that means that we get
to have conversations that are usually a
little difficult conversations that are
unedited and unfiltered conversations
that we can ask questions in the
confines of love and there be real real
real understanding and that’s what I’m
praying for you is that today we’re
about to have a conversation that is
unedited that is um really unbiased
that’s going to be real experience and
I’m praying for understanding this is
the time where you call your kids in and
tell them to put down for at night and
their iPad for a second and watch this
this is the time where if you’re cooking
that you still you can make your
breakfast and your Cheerios and your
checks but I want you to listen I want
you to get notes because I believe that
can learn from other people’s experience
and maybe get a different perspective
and as I begin to think about what I was
gonna share this week I said I don’t
want to share alone maybe there could be
a more powerful conversation where the
Bible says two are better than one
I said what if there was a more powerful
conversation if I had it with somebody
else and then I started thinking about
the people that I had around me that I
have real relationship with and I was
like what if one two people what if it
was three people what if it wasn’t three
people what if it was four people and I
began to look at the unique position
that God has placed me as your pastor in
I am the biological son of a black man
that was raised in the south during
segregation
I am the spiritual son of a white man
and a succession plan of a white man
that was raised with privilege and I’m
the spiritual father of a black and
white man that has now been raised with
a bunch of questions and I want to know
who has the answer and I believe it’s
God so today we’re going to dive into a
conversation that may make some people
uncomfortable
but are you scared to talk about race
hopefully in this place you won’t be and
I believe as we go through God’s Word
and share some of our experiences it’ll
be something that changes us forever
today to my left I want to introduce to
you the founding pastor of
transformation church ladies and
gentlemen I need you in the comments to
put your hands together for Bishop Gary
Macintosh now this is crazy for some of
y’all cuz ya’ll just seem Pastor Mike
y’all didn’t know the founder pastor of
this church was white like white white
like like gray hair white right and um I
want you to know that this is the
beautiful picture that we’ll be even
able to share later the fact that we’re
one of the only one of a very few that
has seen a white pastor transition their
entire organization over to a young
african-american pastor and we’ve seen
the blessing of God
on what I believe is racial
reconciliation and tomorrow to my right
is my daddy
the captain Tom Todd man a God aka the
captain when y’all give it up for pastor
Tommy Todd I love that man every bit of
swag that I’ve ever had I got from this
guy right here and you already know who
this is um he’s been one of the literal
prayers from God answered into my life
and me and Natalie’s life of holding the
vision and really moving forward and he
works tirelessly behind the scenes to
make what you experienced a
transformation Church come to life we
all give it up for pastor Charles
Metcalf yeah yeah all right y’all we
about to go in I put some notes in here
because you already know when I started
talking earlier we’ve already had this
conversation and it can go for four and
a half hours because this is about to
get good and you’re about to see people
who are different in skin color
different in experience different in
generation but we’re gonna hear each
other’s experience and see if we can’t
learn something about what I’m calling a
revolution of racism that’s what we need
right now we need a revolution of racism
we need to stand against what has been
and what has been okay and what has been
tolerated and what has been almost the
status quo and and we gotta have love in
the middle of it that’s why I love how
they did this I’m graphic there has to
be love in the middle of it but we need
a revolution we need something different
as I looked at my children I said I will
not stand here and preach messages that
everybody likes and gets a thousand um
replays on YouTube and Instagram and
Twitter and I not make a stand for a
revolution against racism and what it’s
supposed to look like in Kingdom and
what we need is we don’t need what
everybody else says is a revolution we
actually need the kingdom of God as it
is in heaven we needed to come on this
earth and so today we’re gonna start
down that
because – two weeks ago on a Tuesday I
was on my way to meet with Kirk Franklin
I mean like a bucket list moment in my
life and um I was on the trim headed to
the rental car place in the DFW Airport
and I have popped open Instagram and I
saw probably the most disturbing video
of my life I saw this video right here
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well you got it down man let it breathe
lease man I’ve been trying to get that
disturbing moment we all saw the video
and if you haven’t I encourage you to
watch the entire nine minute video where
George Floyd lost his life begging to
breathe I um I’m still messed up by that
and if you watch that and you’re not
hopefully through this conversation
there’ll be something that helps you but
I want to know your one-word reaction to
the moment you saw that video Pastor
Tommy what’s your one-word reaction to
seeing that video my one word is anger
anger you know growing up in the south
and seeing this type of behavior
firsthand prejudice the spirit of hatred
in men against different races not like
them I said we’ve come this far I’m 65
years old and I’ve come this far and
it’s still prevalent in the earth and I
was angry because we have not progressed
beyond this point
Charles what did you what was your one
word I to be honest I felt the word that
I that came to me was fractured I felt
like this was a picture in a video of
the deepest break in like the human soul
like I just felt like there were parts
of me that felt hopeless that felt like
something had been broken that couldn’t
be fixed and so I just I felt fractured
broken Bishop what did you see when you
saw that the same thing I said when I
saw it again I was horrified the word
horrified means overwhelmingly and
painful feelings caused by something
frightening shocking terrifying and
revolting that’s what I felt you were
horrified I was horrified when I saw it
I was scared the reason I was scared is
because that could have been me
you know I think about all of the
progress that has been made in the earth
and there’s a black man that is the New
York Times bestselling author right now
there’s a black man that leads a
multi-ethnic church in an arena there’s
a black man whose kids can go to private
school so like there’s progress that has
happened but then nobody asks you that
at the moment that I could have been in
that same position and I was scared and
I’ve been really going and taking
inventory in my life trying to figure
out like where does this fear come from
and I’ve been trying to point out
different things because if we’re gonna
have a revolution of racism you got to
start at home you got to start with you
and transformation Church I want to
applaud you because so many of you have
taken the risk this week I’m talking
about so many of you y’all have sold out
almost all the books I suggested on
Amazon or sold out y’all have watched
all of those movies people are beginning
to take steps and having hard
conversation I had one of our members
say that they went out with another
member they were different ethnicities
and they asked real and raw questions to
each other that is what is gonna start
moving this thing forward and as a
pastor I’m telling you I am proud of you
but the reason we’re still talking about
this and we got to talk about it
even at another level is because even
this morning that fear of racism show
back up at my front door Bishop um the
the call went out for what we were all
gonna wear everybody just wear black and
white you know play on black and white
and wear black and white okay cool so I
have this leather shirt that I was gonna
wear it’s right here and I went in my
closet to pick up this leather shirt but
one thing you’ll notice is that there’s
a tag on it and there’s a sensor still
on it and I bought this shirt like seven
months ago and this Sunday was my second
time trying to wear this shirt and I
forgot like dang the sensor is still on
it
and I asked myself this morning when I
went to change why haven’t I gotten the
sensor taken off of this jacket and when
I asked myself that
honestly it’s because I don’t want to go
into the store that I bought it from
because I feel like they’re gonna think
I stole it I have three other ones don’t
I Scott I have three other ones this
exact same a yellow one and a blue one
but they forgot the sensor on something
I paid for but I haven’t taken it back
because of the color of my skin I may
think that I would be questioned and so
something that’s paid for I can’t enjoy
it’s kind of like some of the the things
that our country says it’s founded on
it’s done they still land of the free
the home of the brave we pay taxes we do
all this other things but are there
things that are are at the core things
that allow us to see freedom but not
experience it see that we can buy it but
we can’t wear it yet and today I won’t
stand and not be ones that are part of
the solution I’m not coming to beat
anybody up 50% of our church is white my
heart is that we would go and move and
represent into what God has called us to
be as a church and what I want to let
everybody know is that we have all
inherited this skin the same way that we
have inherited all of this sin like this
is not just the skin issue this is a sin
issue this is something that all of us
are having to deal with and can I put
somebody at ease right now the truth is
everything that we’re doing it with
right now with racism and injustice it
was not started by anybody alive this
was inherited yeah you didn’t start this
but you can’t change it yeah you didn’t
start it but we can move this thing down
the field and I want to let you know
because Deuteronomy chapter 5 verse 9
and 10 you can read the whole context
he’s talking to the children of Israel
right here but he God says to us he says
listen I’m a jealous God I need people
to understand and listen to me and he
said and the iniquities of the father’s
they passed down to the third and fourth
generation
of those who hate those who hate and
then it says those who hate me and God’s
saying when you hate your brother and
sister you’re hating me because they
were made in the image of me come on I
need everybody to see this right now he
said it passes down we’re dealing with
third and fourth generation hate we’re
dealing with third and fourth generation
taking scriptures and religious things
and building them for gain and all that
other stuff and God’s saying these are
just sins that are visiting sons and
grandsons and great-grandsons that I
wanted somebody to stand up and deal
with yeah and now they’ve run into us
and we will not be the generation that
sits back and says well it’s really it’s
just how it is and I guess I guess we’ll
do our best no we’re gonna do better and
that’s why God says in verse 10 but we
still serve the same God that is showing
mercy to thousands to those who love and
that’s when you love your brothers and
sisters he’s saying when you love them
you’re loving me he said and they keep
my commands and so today if we’re going
to see this thing this generational
thing turned around we need a revolution
and if we’re gonna see a revolution
happen I need you to understand that
we’re gonna have to overthrow some
things we’re gonna have to replace some
things and today I started to think
about this and I want you to start
taking notes if we’re gonna see a
revolution on everything we’re gonna
have to address what I’m calling raising
racism do you know all of us are raised
in racism whether you believe it or not
we are currently raising racism how we
respond in this moment will either feed
the monster or starve the monster come
on and I’m asking you right now what are
you doing with your Twitter fingers come
on is what you’re posting feeding the
monster are you raising racism right now
are you starving racism right now how
you stay in what church you go to what
you give your money to what you do with
your neighbors who you invite to your
children’s birthday party are you
feeding this monster will grow up and
devour the next generation
are you starving that thing in stopping
conversations and boardrooms
come on yeah and in back rooms and at
basketball courts and in that tennis
courts in that country clubs yeah right
now you are raising racism come on and I
think the one thing that you have to
understand is that when you’re raising
racism racism is something that is
either experienced you experienced um
racism or you are exposed to it or you
are silent from it and then Charles you
told me another one you know it’s not
just being exposed or expirience it’s
what yeah it’s well it’s what you
explained so there are some people that
like maybe you experience racism racism
or different ethnicities maybe you’re
exposed to it but there are some people
that have a responsibility to explain it
come on because just because is it your
experience and just because you’re not
exposed to it doesn’t mean you have
don’t have the responsibility to explain
the injustice that happens in a world to
explain that there are people who have
the same rights of you in our same on
the internal and got paid the same price
for their sin as he did for yours but
just because you don’t experience or
you’re not exposed to that or does that
happen to you I think there’s a
responsibility that parents that
individuals that teachers that
government officials they have a
responsibility to explain that even
though we say it’s the land of the free
in the home of the brave when that was
written they meant it was the land of
the free really white man and it was the
home of people who had to be brave
because they weren’t free so I think
it’s we have a really a responsibility
to explain the state of where we really
are and what Charles is saying right now
is if we don’t say something if we don’t
explain it if we don’t move we’re gonna
raise something that means we’re feeding
it yeah and we’re raising something and
the reason that I start here of if we’re
gonna see a revolution of racism we’re
going to have to acknowledge that we’re
raising racism right now is because if
you don’t acknowledge that you’re
raising it and if it’s like well it’s
not that big a deal it hasn’t hit my
home yet it’s not really
then we’re gonna repeat racism come on
and that’s the next point I want you to
write down if we’re gonna have a
revolution we got to talk about this
thing of repeating racism because what
you don’t address repeats itself right
come on all of us right now have made
decisions that we’re gonna lose weight
and if you don’t address going to the
the donut shop that weight is gonna come
right back even if you lose yeah and
this is the thing that I’m asking
everybody right now if we don’t address
it do not be surprised that three months
from now we have another another Ahmad
our Barry if you don’t address it now
yeah don’t be surprised when people are
in the streets for another Brianna
Taylor or at George Floyd and those are
just three names that I’ve mentioned
that have happened in the last month
it’s been 30 days so what I’m asking
everybody to do right now is let’s stop
repeating race yeah let’s stop and then
we have to move to a place that takes a
lot of self-reflection Bishop yeah we
have to get to the place if we’re gonna
say no we’re not gonna feed the monster
we’re not gonna raise racism um okay so
now we’re not gonna repeat racism then
the thing you have to do and this is
practical for your home and today I
wanted you to be very practical I want
us to explain this thing you’re gonna
have to be one that is starting to
remember racism you need to be one that
is remembering racism where did it start
for you
where’s the first time you heard it
where’s the first time you experienced
it where is the first time you
participated in it what’s the first time
you use the n-word where’s the first
time you call somebody white a cracker
or a honky where’s the on each other
let’s go real today yeah come on because
if we don’t remember it we act like
we’re not a part of it we act like this
this is something that no that’s that’s
not where my life is from so today I
want to hear real where is the first
time that you remember racism pastor
Tommy the first time I remember racism
was when I was eight years old we lived
in a small town in southern Alabama
called Jackson Alabama and we were going
to mobile to shop because they had more
malls and stuff there well we didn’t
have a mall they owned had malls and
mobile but anyway we stopped at a
restaurant and I got out the car because
we were going to get a hamburger or
something
and I was going to the front door and my
dad they stopped me and he said you
can’t go in the front door we have to
around here to the side and I said why
he said we aren’t allowed to go in the
front door so when we went round to the
side it was the kitchen door and above
the door it had to work color so where
we had to go to get our food was in the
back in the kitchen we couldn’t go
through the front door like the regular
patrons did so I want to let everybody
know this is not a movie no this is not
something that was a good scene in a
this was your actions with my life this
is my life experience just one of them
okay so tell me about another one
because I know you in Alabama like the
deep south very prejudiced Confederate
at the time all of these different
things were happening and you and your
twin sister on faith were a part of
desegregation when you went to the
seventh grade tell us about that well
when I was in the sixth grade
my mother was educator and she was my
teacher so at the end of the sixth grade
we were looking forward to going to the
seventh grade with all of our friends
but she said that summer she said you
guys are gonna go to the white school
uptown she said you’re gonna have a good
education because we had always got the
Raggedy books leftover equipment all
that kind of stuff but she said no
you’re gonna go to the white school so
that was in 1966 and we had to fight
basically every day they did all kinds
of things because they didn’t want us
that was when integration first started
you said your elephant might every day
every day we had confrontations every
day when we would go down the hall
changing classes you know we didn’t know
about it it was a school of about 800
kids and it was about ten black kids so
the odds were so much against us so
everybody was you know warning to make
us feel a certain way so when we would
change classes they would knock out
books out of our hands and everybody
would be kicking all the white kids
would be kicking our books down the hall
in the opposite direction so we’d have
to go and try to get our books and when
we got to our class that teacher said
well why are you late why are you tired
um I gave you [ __ ] well we had
nothing to do with it except we were
trying to do what they required come to
class with your books and then they
would turn their class rings under their
seniors you know I’m here in the
I’m grading these seniors five years
above me turn their classrooms over and
go down Harland hit you on the top of
the head you know just aggravating and
doing things so we had to fight every
day we didn’t want to go to lunch
because we had to fight we’d have to
find a place to sit cuz no white kids
wanted us to sit at their table so it
was just a constant battle every day now
what everybody to understand this that
this was not my experience but this was
your experience and you have carried
that experience every day of your life
and I have watched my dad love every
race I watched my dad invite and teach
us grace I’ve watched him do this and I
don’t know like I’m the pastor right now
but I don’t know if I could have done
that and experienced all of those things
but you’ve told us that love has been a
huge part of forgiveness love has been a
huge part of you being able to
understand where we were but I need
everybody to understand this wasn’t even
fifty years ago
no like I want you to understand that
and and when we remember what we’ve been
through and remember what’s happened
that’s when we can start from that point
and go forward Bishop talk to me about
remembering racism where does racism
start for you well I was raised a little
different than pastor Tommy but I was
raised in an Imagine I did an all-white
home in a white neighborhood not
affluent but a white neighborhood and
went to a white high school but it was
in high school that during the early 60s
when Martin Luther King started his
marches I started hearing comments from
people that were very foreign for me to
hear because our family wasn’t racial at
all in that respect there was no racism
but I started hearing racial comments
from people at school from their parents
and so I had that exposure probably when
I was 14 15 years old but before that I
had I had no experience and then you go
from being basically in an experience
that is all white and and and then you
started um being introduced to different
ethnicities because of sports absolutely
and if y’all don’t know this
like back in the day Bishop could cross
you dunk on you he played basketball
like football he played every sport nah
he was cold-blooded I’ve seen the
trophies but but and then your
experience really gotten broadened when
you moved to Tulsa Oklahoma to go Oh
Roberts University absolutely tell us
about that it was that Oh Roberts
University of course there was a
increase of blacks that were starting to
attend and I became friends with many of
them it was during that time soul
sapphire choir was started and so I
interacted with that and then my
roommate then was black oh don’t so you
went from an all-white experience to now
living with somebody that was black yes
tell me how did that was that culture
shock was it different what happened
like how was that there was some culture
shock hey back then I remember being I
woke up and there was smoke in the room
and I thought there was a fire but back
then they were pressing their hair oh he
was just doing his hair yeah he was just
laying it back you understand I was in
the fog of God’s presence I want
everybody to see this right now it’s
because what Bishop just told us is that
his exposure changed his experience
absolutely but if you get exposed to
something different it can change the
way you experience everything yes and
there’s many of you that are watching
right now that it is safer to keep your
experience it’s safer and it’s not in
it’s comfortable to stay at your
exposure level but the fact that you’re
even watching this the fact that you you
watched last week it means you’re
getting exposed to something different
and I believe by the power of God that
this exposure and even the lines that
you’re going to cross this week to
interact with people that are not like
you and take the risk it’s gonna
increase your world and and I believe
that we wouldn’t be standing here today
if you weren’t willing to allow there to
be another level exposure which gave you
a different experience
it changed bishops experience so much
that it changed how he would interact in
the future come on I don’t know if
people know this Bishop
but I want them to see a picture of your
family can y’all deal got a picture of
Bishops family somewhere
this is bishops family and if you if you
notice something that bishop has four
children three of them are black now
those are your kids right and there’s a
fourth one in one of those fifth one a
fifth yeah and those are your kids those
are my children those those are they
carry the last name McIntyre correct
Wow now you’re a white man in America
with black children can you explain to
me how do you go from no experience with
that race yeah to being exposed to it to
then adopting it into your everyday life
adoption was actually what happened my
wife was running an adoption agency and
sometimes black children become
available but they were not being
adopted and so anytime that happened we
started reaching out and adopting those
children in fact I was traveling on the
road and people say how many children
you have and I’d say I don’t know I
haven’t been home yet has it kept
increasing you know but that was our joy
our joy was to bring them to be a part
of our family and to be our children and
and and I watched this firsthand because
the way that I know Bishop is because I
used to play with his son Josh and mom
and dad when they’re back in higher
dimensions they lived right across the
street right and that’s the weight like
the fact that bishop would hand me the
church probably 20-something years later
I started playing at bishops house and
had a crush on his white daughter Angela
when I was when I was younger and just
to see God weaving that but it all came
because you as a white man that was
raised was prolific privilege begin to
expose yourself to the point where then
you became so integrate are are so
intertwined with people not because of
the color of the skin but because of who
they were that she began to make them a
part of your everyday life I that’s
preaching and I’m not even I’m not even
going in right now and this is the crazy
thing I need to
– about because this ain’t happened in
nowhere at anybody else’s Church right
now this right now is a unique
conversation that we get to have what
changed in your view racially when you
went from just being a white man in
America to now a white man with black
children in America and I and I have to
be careful in answering that because I
cannot answer that question from a black
man standpoint I had a well I’m a white
man but I had black children and so I
started to experience racism as a
non-white family and that was shocking
and and so to a certain extent I’ve
experienced it not like many of course
in this country but I started
experiencing racism in against our
family come on tell me a story
let’s make this real ly let’s be honest
we were in in a state close here I don’t
want to get don’t don’t say it don’t
know and we were at an amusement park
and we had divided and my my two boys
went off to ride a ride and then we were
over here and all of a sudden I heard a
conversation that was getting very loud
I looked over and there was a white man
that was addressing my my children
and and very aggressively so I
immediately went over there and Angela
followed me and I had to interrupt and
that and so he he was being very
aggressive used the n-word called them
ignorant and on and on and on then his
wife came and started doing the same and
at that point it’s getting it’s getting
very strong and I look over in he’s six
five six six 285 pounds and I’m thinking
I’m gonna have to fight this you about
to lay hands on you cuz because if he
makes a move against my children that’s
against me now I want you to understand
he didn’t say his black children yeah he
said his children yeah
at that moment their skin color did not
matter did none to you because you had
met them on a heart level you were their
father you changed their diapers you
provided for them here you had an
experience that was so energy
find and now somebody was coming against
them because of their skin color yes and
what happened well they he kept going on
and I’m thinking I’m gonna have to make
a move here and so I shifted from my
character to anger I was pastoring at
the time but I realized that if he
didn’t stop I was gonna have to
intervene my daughter told me later she
was with me she had jumped up to but it
was a serious situation because then
they brought the manager over and the
manager sided with the man against my
boys and they kicked us out of the park
I had to spend the rest of the day
talking to my children which they didn’t
understand and we have never been back
to that city since and they refused to
go because it’s so hurt them so deeply
now I want everybody to understand what
Bishop just said there’s a couple of
things I want to pull out of that and
thank you for sharing so transparently
she said that the situation was moving
at a rate that got him so angry that it
made him want to act out of his
character yes which I need to just say
for everybody who’s taking a very strong
opinion against protesters and and
people who are doing all of this stuff I
don’t agree with everything that’s going
on but I want us to pray and get a
little more empathy for some people who
have been in a place where they’ve not
been listened to they’ve been they’ve
been marginalized they’ve been talked
about they’ve been assumed about and
they’ve gotten so angry that they they
made out of their character they’re not
bad people they’re hurting people I need
everybody to hear me say that they’re
not bad people they’re hurting people
and if you hear it from a white man
because he was in that position like I
was so mad we got kicked out of the park
because of the color of my kids the
color of skin of my children that it
made me want to act out a character that
may not be
black thing that maybe eight humanity
thing and I think that we really need to
pray and be able to ask God how can we
have empathy and actually pray for the
peace of God for people and have
conversations with them and then the
other thing that Bishop said right there
is he had to spend time explaining to
his kids a moment that scarred him for
life that didn’t scarred them for that
one trip they still talk about it they
still talk about it and they’ve never
been back to the city not the park
they’ve never been back to the city we
got to remember where racism started for
us and I know this is hard and some of
you want to tune off right now because
it’s easier to act like it doesn’t exist
but you can never change anything that
you don’t confront Charles tell me about
racism remember it for us where did it
start for you bro um well people may not
know but I was raised by a white mom and
a black dad and so that created a couple
of different dynamics one I grew up
listening to Run DMC Eric B and rocky m
and Willie Nelson and James Taylor and I
can go back and forth on all the lyrics
mama’s don’t let your boys grow up to be
Cowboys Willie Nelson but you know it’s
crazy it created this inner tension in
me even right now with everything going
on a feeling like specifically right now
one half of me is safe and the other one
isn’t then if I get pulled over right
now I hope you know my mom is white that
and it just created this tension and it
really started I think my parents did a
great job of teaching me that being
biracial wasn’t something to be looked
at as a disadvantage but really was my
advantage that I could walk into rooms
and relate to two sides of people that I
could be friends I could be a bridge for
people I could but really I remember
when I was 16 years old I was a
sophomore in high school and I was
dating this girl I was so excited she
was the senior cheerleader she was a
cheerleader I was like I was like I
thought I was the man and we had been
talking for about a month and I remember
I got home from school one day and right
when I walked inside my mom started
screaming at me she is yelling my mom
just going off
Charlo and I didn’t even know I was like
what is happening
going on and she calmed down and she
starting explained to me that this
girl’s mom had called my football coach
he had called my principal he had called
the pastor of the church we went to
Annie had called my dad’s boss are you
serious she had called all these people
and she said it’s that kid and that boy
will never talk to my daughter again
I will not have my daughter date a black
boy like that he could not be around her
it’s not right that his parents are
together it’s not right that he’s mixed
races and just said some really horrible
things and I remember sitting in the car
we lived in Nashville Tennessee and I
remember crying because it was the first
time I felt less than for something I
couldn’t control it was the first time
that I realized like I didn’t I didn’t
do anything I would have understood if I
did something wrong if I had said
something wrong if I had done something
bad but I had literally I mean I I
realized that this was nothing I could
control and as I grew older it just
created this really duality in me of
understanding that there was a part of
me that was in some circles I was the
black friend and another friend circles
I was the white friend and I would
realize this going back and forth these
and as I got older I remember me and my
wife were actually driving in the car
and a cop car got behind us and I said
oh dang we’re about to get pulled over
she said what do you talk no we’re not
like if you don’t know Abbey Abbey’s 5-2
white just clear beautiful skin just but
I said we’re about to get pulled over
and she’s like what do you know or not
what do you mean I said I’ve never had a
cop car get behind me and not get pulled
over ever like I just knew it and right
as I said that the car flipped on and we
pulled over and I just really created
this tension of realizing that
regardless to me I realized it wasn’t
that I was all the way black or I had
really dark skin it’s just that I wasn’t
white what is what made me unsafe it’s
just that I wasn’t that and so really
for me that’s that’s where I started
that memory in high school Bishop I need
to ask you this real quick because
there’s a lot of religious leaders
watching and there’s a lot of churches
and a lot of people and and and they
think that racism is outside of the
church like it’s this only happens for
people who aren’t saved but can
faster can’t a worship leader can
somebody that stands up and proclaims
the name of Jesus and raises their hands
and gives offering can they have racism
still in their heart they can’t in fact
I had a an acquaintance he wasn’t a
friend but I had preached in his church
and and he knew of higher dimensions so
he called me and he said all right can
we have a frank conversation I said
absolutely he said will you be honest I
said absolutely he said okay I need to
ask you what are you gonna do if your
daughter wants to date a black man he
asked you that he asked me that I said
are you serious
he said yes what do you want what would
you do I said absolutely nothing he said
what do you mean let’s talk real I said
I’m talking real and he said so so don’t
you think that we ought to stayed to our
own kind and I said absolutely mankind
and he said no no no no I’m talking
about race don’t you think we ought to
state our own race I said yes for sure
the human race come on
and and then I had a picture that
picture that they put up and I said if
you’re gonna ask me what would I do if
my daughter would want to date a black
man then you’re gonna have to ask me
what would you do if my black son’s
wanted to date a white woman which one
of them did marry a white woman yes yes
and he looked at it and everything went
silent and I just enjoyed the moment I
didn’t say anything I just enjoyed the
moment of silence and he said I guess
this conversation is over and I said I
guess it is and and and I think that’s
we need a lot of conversations to be
over we need a lot of the conversations
there are a lot that have to start but
there’s a lot of them that need to be
over yes if it has to do with white and
black skin that conversation maybe we
should have a conversation about
character commitments like what people
actually do and what they bring but the
color of my skin that conversation has
to be over somebody needs to put in the
chat it needs to be over
it needs to be over because God has done
a great work and for it to be over you
need to pray what Bible says in Psalms
51
created me a pure heart Oh Lord renewing
me a right spirit a steadfast spirit
within me
and I’m telling you when God starts
allowing us to realize that we’re not
gonna raise racism that we’re not gonna
repeat racism that God is gonna allow us
to have the self the self identification
to see where we remember where it
started
then God starts the process of revealing
racism and I believe that’s what God is
doing right now in America he is
revealing racism I told Charles earlier
I said racism is not worse it’s just
revealed like this is not anything new
you can do your research didn’t go back
to the race Massacre in 1921 you can go
back to slavery you can go back to
Emmett Till you can go back to the Jews
you can go back to the Native Americans
you can I mean we can go through the
whole get this is not new it’s just
being revealed because of cellphones and
I believe watch this this is mold I
believe this is what America is a result
of America taking God out of the middle
we pray prayers like God make us a
country that represents you and he looks
down at Americans like that ain’t it and
I’m not just talking about America this
is all over the world because we have
people that are in South Africa and
apartheid we have people that are all
over the world that are dealing with
different in Justices and all I’m saying
and God is saying I’m about to reveal it
to you right now and what you do from
this point is on you and today I want
everybody to know that as we stand here
and we’re saying okay we’re going to
we’re going to look at what God is
exposing right now and and we want you
to change us see God doesn’t bless who
he pretend to be he blesses who we
really are that is also America he does
it he doesn’t bless who we to pretend to
be he blesses who we really are and
today we get to pull back the cover on
this and then we get to ask God creating
us a clean hand right now I want you
everybody that’s watching just to lift
your hands let’s pray that prayer father
God I’m asking you to cream
in us a clean heart father anything
that’s not like you anything that we are
remembering anything that we
participated in that was not like you
father that has fed the monster of
racism God we’re asking you right now
come on
this is a real moment God I’m asking you
to reveal it right now God and we’re
asking you to cleanse us give us a clean
heart pure motives pure thoughts father
God that we can be a part of the
solution and not just be a standard to
the problem we asked you to reveal it to
us in Jesus name yes guys what we’re
doing right now is this conversation is
I’m praying is a seed that is going into
grounds all over the world that is gonna
mess with you in your sleep like I’m
praying that you’re gonna see stuff and
not be able to be okay with it anymore
because God is starting something and
after something is revealed you have a
decision to make
if we’re gonna see a revolution in
distinct erase ism you either have two
options you can be one of those who is
repenting for racism or reasoning with
racism and this is what we get to see
every day real-time on social media
we’re getting to see people repent for
racism or their reasoning with racism
and I’m I’m telling you so so clearly
that if you are a Christian and you’re
reasoning with racism shame on you that
is not what Christ has called you to do
we are called to bring reconciliation
and I’m not just talking about white
people I’m talking about black people I
know black people pastor Tommy that
tailed a family don’t associate with
them don’t go over there oh you do an
Uncle Tom on the 8th listen whatever
that evil is in your heart it’s gotta go
and I’m telling you that right now
because if we don’t deal with that we
locked ourselves out of the kingdom of
God what he wants to see in our life as
it is in heaven being on this earth and
God right now is revealing this stuff to
us and we got to make a decision that’s
why Romans 12:2 says something I want
you to look at this cuz I know some of
y’all like where’s the scratch sir where
the Bible let me help you Romans 12:2
don’t copy the behaviors and the customs
or the patterns of this world
don’t be once to repeat this
don’t be once to keep the systemic stuff
going
don’t be once to just chomp it up to I
mean if they could afford being in this
neighborhood they’d be in this
neighborhood look up redlining and look
up all of these things that have kept
people separated like like don’t conform
to the patterns but as the Church of
Jesus Christ let God transform you into
a new person by doing what Pastor Mike
what do we need to do we need to pray
more we need to worship more I think we
need to have a worship service know what
does it say by changing the way you
think oh I’m telling you right now that
the greatest miracle that is gonna
happen in your life in 2020 is you think
different it’s that some of the things
that are natural for you to think that
God saying don’t conform to that but be
transformed by me by the renewing of
your mind changed the way you think
somebody needs to put that in the chat
I’m changing the way I think I’m
changing the way I think about different
ethnicities I’m changing the way I view
people that don’t look like me I’m
changing the way I view people that are
different ages and come from different
communities I’m changing the way I think
he says then when you change the way you
think then you will learn to know God’s
will for you hold on until I change the
way I think I don’t get to fully know
what God’s will is for me a lot of
people pray that prayer Bishop I get
that question all the time I know what
God’s will for me is there’s a
prerequisite change the way you think
change the way that you’re thinking
about your situation and who’s in your
life and what’s comfortable change the
way you’re thinking and it says um you
will know God’s will for you which is
good pleasing and perfect what I’m
telling everybody is that if you get
proper reasoning it’ll lead to you
repenting and the word repenting all it
means is to turn all I’m asking
everybody if there’s an out
of racism in you and I have had to
confront it in my own life over this
past two weeks
because I was wondering can I be
completely hot I was like I saw some
white people after I’m in the airport
when it happened and now my bus driver
is white that’s taking us to the thing
and he says how you doing and there’s a
part of me that was like how I’m doing
and I just want you can I be real and I
said where is that at is that lined in
my heart somewhere God is there is there
something in me that when I see
injustice now I want to take it out on
people who had nothing to do with it
what’s happening in my heart and all I’m
asking everybody is maybe this is the
time where we all have to repent well we
all have to get on our knees and we have
to turn and not just turn to anything
turn back to God y’all if I’m telling
you that I’ve been praying and reading
word more in this past two weeks and
some of us haven’t
we’ve been consuming and feeding the
monster the wrong part of us by every
news source and every feed and every
post and God says that’s not the answer
I am if you’re gonna turn there anything
if you’re gonna turn to anything please
turn to me and right now God’s asking us
to turn because once he reveals it once
we have the idea that the the fortitude
to be able to repent from it then we
have to respond to racism uh-oh
this is the one that we wish that we
could just have a quiet time with God
and be okay by ourselves and and then
keep living our life but if you are a
follower of Jesus Christ it is your job
to now respond to racism and I want to
help people with this because a lot of
people I keep getting calls from our
friends and pastors and leaders and
people that are grown up with and
there’s like hey this is wrong
I feel horrible and and I want to do
something to change how can people
practically and spiritually respond to
racist them past the time well the first
thing that we have to do is we have to
look at our heart and have to understand
that in our heart the by
says that the heart is wicked God knows
our heart you can say one thing with
your mouth but God knows what your heart
is the Bible says also as a man thinketh
in his heart so is he
and what we have to do is we have to
inspect our heart and get the heart of
God because the answer is God you know I
read the scriptures about love and the
only reason that I can love
unconditionally cuz God unconditionally
love me come on
he said while I was yet a sinner he died
for me and the first act of racial
reconciliation was God sending his son
to reconcile the human race back to
himself and I’m a part of that so I got
a look at my heart and see what are the
fears that I have but the Bible says
that perfect love casts out all fear so
I’m in love then I have no fear of
anything I have no fear of people I
don’t see people as a threat I see
people as individuals who have
challenges just like I do and I’m here
to help bear their burdens he says bear
ye one another’s burden and how can we
love God who we haven’t seen and we hate
our brothers and we don’t do what we can
to help them out and whether they be
black white Hispanic it doesn’t matter
the key is is the love of God being
shown through our lives so we got to
understand that the only things gonna
solve this is the love of God I remember
a story that you told us all the time in
the Bible about the Good Samaritan yeah
and how that was an actual racial
situation and not just racial but it was
religious right as well can you can you
tell everybody well in Luke 10 verse 25
jesus is talking and the religious
leaders are the teachers of the law come
to him and ask him because he was just
telling the disciples and those that
around him love your neighbor as you
love yourself and they were asking him
trying to catch him and say well who is
our neighbor they are a black person
that live next door to me and
who but jesus said the parable of the
samaritan he said there was a man that
was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho
Jericho Jerusalem but he came upon
thieves who robbed him beat him up
stripped him of his clothes and left him
on the road half dead so along came this
priest the religious leader of that time
so he saw it but he crossed over to the
other side of the road and passed by him
and the other person that came along was
a Levite he was also an assistant to the
priest so he didn’t bother he crossed
over on the other side he was a
worshipper somebody going to the now
they’re on their way to the temple to do
their religious duty but there’s a man
in the ditch that’s half dead and they
passed by come on
so then a foreigner came by in the
parable somebody that wasn’t like him
but somebody that had compassion for him
and that’s the thing that moves Jesus
compassion he always touched people
because of the compassion that he had
for people so he came by and he picked
the man up out of the ditch he took him
to her in and he gave the innkeeper two
days wages but he didn’t just give him
wages he stayed with the man overnight
and took care of his wounds and helped
heal his sorrows son the next day he got
up he said I have to have I have to go
take care of some business but if
there’s anything else that this man
needs
charge it to my account and when I come
back I will pay for I’m ready to preach
I will pay for it I’m ready to preach so
he wasn’t like this man he was a
foreigner but he was different from this
man but we have to realize that there
are people in this world that are
different from you not just in skin
colour but in ideology among Muslims
think different from you but if you saw
him in the ditch would you pass come on
would you pick him up or would you just
go about your way no God is calling
us to be one race jesus said father make
them one as we are one so that the world
might know that you sent me come on okay
I want to preach the tag tag me OK tag
me tag me
I want everybody to see in this story of
the Good Samaritan now I’m gonna stand
up I want you to see what happened the
demand he stayed overnight with him that
means he stopped yes and and a lot of us
are in this moment where we’ve stopped
because of George Floyd in all the
situation but my question is will you
stay see he stopped but then he stayed
overnight with him yes and most of us
will do our little post and we stopped
for a second we we did it for a second
but the man stayed with him and he
stayed long enough to be able to
understand his story he stayed long
enough being able to hear him beyond
where he was currently and see where he
came from he stayed with him long enough
that he was moved compassion to be able
to pay for him to be there for two more
days he didn’t just stop he didn’t just
stay but he also sacrificed yes and my
question to you is what are you willing
to sacrifice to see somebody that
doesn’t have your same situation come
into a place of healing and wholeness
that being paid for his stay for two
more days and then told the innkeeper
whatever he needs whatever he needs if
it’s counseling that he needs if it’s a
grocery store in an impoverished area if
it’s alone if it’s something whatever
you need and God says this is what
loving your neighbor looks like this
okay alright Charles I’m a tag to you
bro what can people do to actually be
ones that respond to racism well I think
something we have to do is we have to
respond in humility
I think pride cast the responsibility of
racism on to other people
pride says it’s not my problem I didn’t
do anything with it I’m not racist I got
a black friend I got I got a wife but
you know like it’s not like come on but
the person who helps me clean my
house there are different ethnicity like
and it cast the restraint but I think
there’s a sense of humility that has to
respond the Bible says if my people who
are called by my name will repent and
humble themselves if they’ll start with
humbling themselves and there was a
scripture actually in acts 15 that I
want to read and really even the in this
time it reads so differently but the
context of the scripture in acts 15 is
Paul is talking to the leaders at the
religious time and they’re talking about
the difference between Jews and Gentiles
and this would have been a racially
charged conversation it would have been
a religiously charged conversation and
what the Jews believe is that Gentiles
they shouldn’t be saved like us they
they’re they’re different they don’t
they don’t have the rights we do they
don’t have access to grace like we do
and Paul is arguing with them that no
it’s the same grace that saved you it’s
the same grace that saved me and look at
this response so powerful says God knows
the heart not not their skin color not
where they grew up not their zip code
God knows the heart and he showed that
he accepted them by giving them the Holy
Spirit just as he gave it to us he did
not discriminate between us and them
come on he purified their hearts by
faith now look at this so power says now
why then do you try to test God by
putting on the neck of the Gentiles in
this putting on the neck of people who
don’t look like you putting on the neck
of the Gentiles a yoke that neither you
or your ancestors were able to earn Ike
it literally says it goes to owner says
God saved us and he saved them in the
same way the scripture even I was
reading that days after that happened
and it says why do you put this burden
on the neck of these people he was
talking about why do you put this this
pride that says I earned what I got this
pride that says I earned that’s what
they were saying they said I earned my
salvation I earned with in the same way
Bishop youyou didn’t do anything to earn
your white skin people didn’t do
anything to earn this thing that they
feel like they hold but yet there’s a
pride that says because of Who I am
because of where I live because of how
much money I have because of the school
I go to because of my experience I’m
better than people we have to humble
ourselves there’s a you talked about
remembering remembering that without God
we are all bro
if we want to talk about what we deserve
the Bible says the wages of sin is death
so regardless of your black/white we do
not deserve this but God and His grace
he extends this to us
and I think there’s a humbling in our
hearts to understand regardless of where
you live regardless of who you grew up
around that literally there is a
humility and understanding that
ultimately that God is the one that
wakes you up every morning yeah like
regardless of what job you feel like it
God is the one who allowed you to get
into that job God is the one who blessed
you to be born into that family people
who think like oh I’m just privileged
you didn’t control what family you were
born into so like what is the pride to
think that and I think right now there
is a humility a humility to seek to
understand a humility to not make
assumptions yeah
a humility to understand that you know
what even though it’s it’s not I will
ever be in their shoes I can still seek
to understand the humility to raise our
kids different yeah we not just need to
raise kids that are aware and we need to
raise advocates people who will stand up
and say I’m not okay with this people
who are like we got a change I think and
it starts with us humbling ourselves I
think of the story of first chronicles
chapter 4 the story of jay-bez yeah
jay-bez mother the Bible says birth him
in pain and the and the word jay-bez
actually means pain or sorrow Wow so she
she labeled him through her experience
we have to be careful that we don’t
generation after generation keep giving
that generation out of our pain their
pain and and that does not discredit the
fact that you had pain yeah and and that
you have scars and we can learn from
those but don’t put it on the next
generation yeah because then he had to
deal with that could you imagine if they
were choosing size for a basketball game
and who would want pain on their team so
he had to overcome that to produce his
future yeah
and so God’s looking for a generation
now to overcome the past that was real
and produce a new future come on and
that’s becoming the people of God he
said for once you were not of people now
you’re the people of God think about the
prayer he ended up praying out of pain
and sorrow enlarge my territory come on
like he started speaking his future he
spoke his future and I think that’s
something so powerful that’s why we’re
having this conversation that’s why
we’re saying we need a revolution in
racism it’s because we gotta speak a
better word
we gotta speak a different word we have
to denounce everything that has been our
experience and been real and and start
from here to create something that’s
gonna be better for generations to come
and that’s why I’m telling you we got to
respond right to racism because now as
the Church of Jesus Christ we have a
responsibility of racism that’s where
second Corinthians 5:18 you’re going to
continue to hear me say it
but and all of this is a gift from God
who brought us back to himself through
Christ that’s the reconciliation that
pastor Tommy was talking about and God
has given us who did he give it to I
said who did he give it to he has given
it to us believers he’s given us this
task what task of reconciling people to
him but you cannot reconcile anybody to
him if they first don’t touch you so we
have to be reconciled to each other so
that we can reconcile them to God for
God was in Christ reconciling the world
to himself no longer counting people’s
skin I mean sin against them and he gave
us this powerful wonderful message of
reconciliation so we are Christ’s
ambassadors that’s me and you God is
making this part Jack’s me up every time
God is making his appeal to the entire
world through us do what you say do how
you text do how you protest through how
you love through who you hate
he is making his appeal through us we
this is dangerous we speak for Christ
when we plead come back to God we also
speak for Christ when we say we hate
other people god forbid we take the
authority we’ve been given as believers
and squander it for an Instagram post
god forbid that we take this moment
where I could have you up jumping and
shouting and people have tuned off and
because they don’t want to hear about
that god forbid we take our
responsibility as Christians and
squander it because we don’t want
anybody to think bad about it y’all know
they did the same thing to Jesus y’all
know he was executed publicly because of
what he believed and who he he was God
forbid that pastors would stand up on
their platforms today and not even
acknowledge where we are in our country
we speak for God yeah that’s why this is
so important yeah and that’s why I love
this church that’s why I love that I’m
standing here and I’m sitting I’m not
saying I’m sitting here with all of you
and I want to say something with
everybody on the platform want to say it
very strong which camera I’m looking in
I want you to see me is it you okay I’m
looking at you this is not your fault
but it is now your fight I want you to
hear me say that so strong if you are a
believer in Jesus Christ whether you’re
white whether you’re black whether
you’re Hispanic whether you’re Asian
whether you’re Native American whether
you’re African whether you’re African
well I don’t care what it is it is not
your fault
but this is now your fight we’ve been
given the Ministry of reconciliation and
if you’re a transformation Church I’m so
sorry
that we have been given a real
responsibility to make this thing What
did he say our vision was to represent
so now we have been given the task of
representing racism every day that we
show up here every time we put a bumper
sticker that says we’re a part of
transformation Church every time we get
a shirt that says represent and I’m
sorry for everybody that don’t live in
Tulsa we come in to y’all soon March on
the way but every time that we want a
represent shirt we get an opportunity to
be ones that are representing racism law
and we got to create a brand new
narrative we got to be the ones that say
no longer is this going to last or be
able to stand it’s why the church was
even created many of you don’t know this
but Bishop Gary McIntosh was pastoring
and in a different area than went on the
road an itinerant ministry and then God
told them very clearly he said that
you’re supposed to go to the north side
of Tulsa and reverse the curse he took
his shoes off on the intersection of
Greenwood and Archer I believe it was
and standing there God said reverse the
curse can you tell us how we even got
here today yeah let me if I can make one
statement yes sir because I had a pastor
friend call me after we started the
church and he said I just want to thank
you you’re doing a good thing and and I
and I told him I said I appreciate you
making that statement but you have no
idea this is my privilege I I wouldn’t
be the person I am if it weren’t for
black people
so that was my privilege it wasn’t a
responsibility it wasn’t a good thing I
did it was it was my joy and I wouldn’t
be Who I am today if I hadn’t obey God
in 1999 has started Greenwood Christian
Center at the time which is now
transformation church and it was on
greenwood and archer that i said yes to
god because i was traveling and having a
fruitful ministry and things were going
really well but it had to be we wouldn’t
be here today if it wasn’t for that
moment and to say yes to god then
produced a lot of things i studied the
race riots and and we tried to make an
impact in north Tulsa which I love North
oh so I lived there to this day
I lived it yeah we’re just neighbors and
and I’m thrilled to be a part of that
community and will always be a part and
so have you you’ve proved that over and
over and I just want to say publicly
that that people compliment me for
choosing you but it was an honor for me
because I saw God’s hand on your life
and there was there was no other I
thought another person could have been
early on and it fell apart only for you
to come on the scene and for me to
recognize the hand of God on your life
at a level that you didn’t even at the
time but it was there as much as this
today and I am thrilled to be a part of
that and the work that’s happening
worldwide just from me standing with you
and I told pastor Michael when we handed
the baton a little over five years ago I
said you have walked with me for five
years and I appreciate that now I get to
walk with you for five years and of
course this got more than that now we’re
on the sixth year in and I told my son
gonna be here every time I’m in town I’m
right there in that third row and I’d
rather be here than anywhere in the
world but but it was a joy to birth the
in north Tulsa and have an impact and
you are still mate doing major work in
north Tulsa even as we’re out of north
Tulsa now and what a joy and this church
has to be a beacon of light in this
season of racism and our life together
has to make that statement to the world
and I think we’re doing it and I want to
thank you publicly and personally bishop
i want to say this like y’all gotta clap
for that because without bishop and
pastor Debbie using their privilege
using their power to empower I would not
be standing here
he gave me now I want you to see this
picture that we don’t see very often he
gave me his life work and trusted me to
take it to another level the first bank
room that I ever got was because you
took me and introduced me to the banker
you use your influence and your power
and you stood behind me and said this is
a he doesn’t have the credit but I back
him and because you use your privilege
and your power now me and that banker
arrest the friends because you use your
privilege in your power and you stood
next to me we’ve walked into places and
been treated differently but I want to
thank you publicly for using your
privilege and your power to give me an
equal opportunity and because you’ve
given me equal opportunities now I’m
able to give other people equal
opportunity and when we stood here with
all of our staff with the staff that was
in the room I saw all those different
ethnicities it was the decision you made
on Greenwood and Archer that
twenty-something years later would
produce a staff that could look like
heaven and today transformation nation
if you love anything about this ministry
can we give God praise for Bishop Gary
and pass oh we can do better than that
oh no we need to applaud and be proud of
and give great we don’t just attack
people when they don’t do it we
celebrate people when they do do it when
they do make a difference and I want to
say thank you transformation Church if
you made it through all of this you ride
or die we have week ago another five
hours with this conversation but if
you’re part of this church and you’re a
part of the kingdom of God you can’t be
indifferent you can’t be silent anymore
we have to bear each other’s burdens to
all my black people that are watching
this right now I have a question for you
would you be willing this is so serious
would you be willing to lay down the
validity of your pain to see unity no
that’s gonna be hard I know that’s gonna
be tough but if we’re ever gonna see
racial reconciliation it’s valid it
hasn’t been fair it’s not right there’s
injustice but it’s gonna take all of us
to change legislation to move things in
the spirit to be able to create new
communities to start our own banks to be
able to do I’m just saying stuff right
now but we got it’s gonna take all of us
but would you be willing to my black
brothers and sisters to lay down the
validity of the pain so that we could
see unity and to my white brothers and
sisters I have something very hard to
ask you but would you be willing to use
your privilege to cover the burden of
somebody that doesn’t look like you
would you take your privilege off and
put it around somebody else to give them
an opportunity for warmth
people I lost some people right when I
say a white privilege or anything like
that but I want you to know it’s real
and I want you to understand it maybe
don’t understand it like this if you’re
I want to do a social experiment right
now if you’re right-handed out there and
in here everybody can you if you’re
right-handed and lift up your right hand
right now if you’re right-handed okay
the majority of the people in here come
on watching online come on lift your
right hand up okay if you’re left-handed
on this stage or around the world lift
your hand right now
that’s the Tommy you’re the only one on
the platform now I want you to see this
real quick myself Bishop and Charles are
the majority right here and we are all
right-handed pastor Tommy is the
minority he is left-handed the entire
world has been set up for right-handed
people think about it
right-handed people have a privilege
when you go into a school and the desk
that are made right-handed people it’s
made so that you can rest your elbow on
it and you can write left-hander people
you know they’d be struggling it’s just
like they’d be trawling and stuff like
that okay if you play golf if you’re
right-handed you can go to any golf shop
and find a driver or a wedge that’s
already right-handed but if you’re
left-handed you got to get that stuff
special made so we would have right
privilege
I didn’t say white privilege I said
right privilege and that would give us
an advantage at things but we need to
use our right
privilege to make it equal for everybody
else that’s the same thing with white
privilege you didn’t choose it you just
got it and it would be foolish of us not
to use it to make the picture of heaven
come onto the earth as it is in heaven
let it be here on earth maybe that’s
still hard to understand but maybe this
short video can help you understand
we’re about to race everybody line up
shoulder shoulder take off your
backpacks basketball line up we’re about
to race hey we are we are racing for a
hundred dollar bill the winner of this
race will take this $100 bill
before I say go
I’m gonna make a couple statements if
those statements apply to you I want you
to take two steps forward those
statements don’t apply to you I want you
to stay right where you’re at
take two steps
and both of your parents are still
married take two steps forward if you
grew up with a father figure in the home
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take two steps forward if you had access
to a private education take two steps
forward if you had access to a free
tutor growing up
take two sets Florida’s you’ve never had
to worry about your cellphone being shut
off take two steps forward if you’ve
never had to help mom or dad with the
bills take two steps forward if it
wasn’t because of your athletic ability
you don’t have to pay for college take
two steps forward if you never wanted
where your next meal was gonna come from
I want you guys up here in the front
just to turn around look every statement
I’ve made has nothing to do with
anything any of you have done has
nothing to do with decisions you’ve made
everything I’ve said has nothing to do
with what you’ve done we all know these
people up here have a better opportunity
to win this hundred dollars does that
mean these people back here can’t race
no we would be foolish to not realize
we’ve been given more opportunity we
don’t want to recognize that we’ve been
given a head start but the reality is we
have now there’s no excuse they still
got to run their race you still got to
run the race but whoever wins this
hundred dollars I think it’d be
extremely foolish of you not to utilize
that and learn them more about somebody
else’s story because the reality is if
this was a fair race and everybody’s
back on that line I guarantee you some
of these black dudes would smoke all of
you
and it’s only because you have this big
of a head start that you’re possibly
going to win this race called life that
is a picture of life ladies and
gentlemen
nothing you’ve done has put you in the
lead that you’re in right now when I say
go on your mark get set go
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if you didn’t learn anything from this
activity you’re a fool
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people say nothing oh what’s going on
then turn around and act like nothing’s
wrong and I don’t get it cuz it could be
me and you we’re just separated by the
ignorance of
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to a neighbor boy just yet
get it but I know we just gotta quit cuz
I’m sitting here singing I know they’re
saying
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we can get
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my god the second one is to love a
neighbor somebody please tell me where
we went wrong we gotta get back to the
heart
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what we’re asking God to do is heal us
again I’m praying that the power of the
Holy Spirit is penetrating your house
right now and more than your house it’s
penetrating your heart we’re gonna be
ones that ask God to heal us again as we
stand here different ethnicities
different experiences different
generations but united under the one
name of Jesus Christ we’re about to pray
if you’re in the house with anybody I
want you to grab hands with them right
now all over this room I want you to
grab hands and I’m gonna ask each one of
them to pray cause we’re gonna ask God
to kill us I’m gonna ask God to do
something in us that would start at the
heart level but would end at changing
humanity and so as we pray I want you to
join your faith all around the world
literally all around the world we are
joining in faith we’re believing that
God is going to start a revolution of
racism right now and we are going to
believe it and we’re gonna pray in crazy
faith Charles go ahead and start us off
right now Lord we speak Lord Jesus to
the injustice in the hate that is
happening Lord Jesus and we speak love
right now I thank you that today things
are shifting right now I thank you that
today it changes and it starts with us
right now I thank you Lord that there
would not be another day that we
downplay who you’ve called us to be that
we would downplay our voice but we stand
in our position and I thank you for
small obedience in small moments that
people won’t see but lo we’re gonna
raise our children different Lord God
Lord certain conversations won’t be
allowed to be had around us Lord Jesus I
thank you that today Lord with our
obedience Lord Jesus as we humble
ourselves to you Lord God that the
revolution would start with us may we
not put it on the responsibilities of
the government of a law of a certain
individual or God but every single
person under the sound of my voice that
they would take the responsibility and
it would start with our obedience
to you we thank you for word in the name
of Jesus and God right now I pray for
healing to come to every wound every
scar every experience that tried to
affect not only the present not only the
days after but the future of every
individual I pray let the oil of your
Holy Spirit come upon them right now I
pray O God that you would pour that oil
upon every wound every scar every
experience that this day would start a
revolution of change that this day would
start a revolution of of transferring to
another generation healing and unity and
power in love I think you will God that
what you have begun today we’re gonna
see moment by moment month by month year
by year radical change in this nation
and the nations of the world and we’ll
give you praise for it in Jesus name
hallelujah father God we just thank you
Lord God first god I thank you that you
give me the ability Lord God to know you
as my Lord and Savior and I thank you
Lord God that we rely on you father we
thank you that we are a part of the
solution we thank you Lord God that you
have called us and you have chosen us to
be ambassadors for you in this earth
Lord God and we thank you Lord God that
we take up the fight Lord God to bring
about reconciliation or God between
races between sexes between people that
are different Lord God I thank you Lord
God that we would not promote racism but
we will promote racism Lord God that we
will come and destroy that spirit that
has permeated this world Lord God for
you died so that all men would be one
and I thank you Lord God for it we thank
you Lord God that you’re gonna get the
glory out of it and this world will
change because we say yes to your will
in the earth in Jesus name Amen yes is
turning into action father God I thank
you that right now you’re going to allow
us you don’t just send us out to do
something you will give us instructions
and give us the power to do what pleases
you so today our hearts are open our
ears are open our wallets are open our
feet are open our homes are open to do
what you call us to do father I thank
you that the burden is not on one person
but father God as we all take our place
that this burden will become light as we
all say yes to what is right again the
burden will become light as we all say
yes to what is right again the burden
will become light as we all say yes to
what is right and what is right is that
we would all be equal that we would not
see the melanin or lack of melanin in
somebody’s skin but we would see your
image in every creation and today let us
bring value back to what you have valued
and I just thank you God that even as
we’ll lose some people watching it even
as father God some people they can’t
stomach it we will always stand for what
you stand for god I thank you that we
will always be bold enough to not just
preach the message of Jesus but we will
still be able to use the method of Jesus
God we thank you that you’re healing
people right now
songs that God heal again and father we
need you to heal us in Jesus if you’re
watching me right now and you’ve never
accepted Jesus Christ as your personal
Lord and Savior that is the first step
to every healing you need to see aspire
fighting God and being reconciled back
to him and it’s very simple I know
religion would tell you that you got to
stop smoking stop drinking change do all
this other stuff but we believe that you
can belong here before you behave and
very simply if you believe by faith that
Jesus Christ was sit by the Father to
come and he lived a perfect life and he
died in your place for your punishment
and he rose again with all power you are
saved according to Romans 10:9 and then
you have to do what what we talked about
today you have to repent and all that
means is turn turn from the ways that
you’ve been doing things and turn to God
today if that’s you I don’t know how you
got on this broadcast I don’t know um if
you’re watching my read on broadcast
listen in our podcast or with your
family or whatever right now God’s
saying today is the day of salvation I
would hate for you to be in this crazy
world without a life saver and God
saying I’m the life saver I’m the one
that you can walk around and be bold and
you can have the fruits of the spirit
without drinks in and substances and all
that other stuff
I’ll give you peace I’ll give you love
I’ll give you joy I am those things and
he wants to offer that to you
I even hears very strongly that
somebody’s not been sleeping your sleep
has been disrupted by everything God
said let me come in and be the Prince of
Peace let me come in and stand in the
gap today all you do at is have to
receive him on the count of three I want
you if you want to be added in that
prayer I want you to lift your hand
where if you are I don’t care who’s
around you and what’s going on today is
that they have salvation this is the
decision I made that took me from being
a liar a manipulator somebody who was
addicted to pornography I had all kind
of bad thoughts and addictions and all
that other stuff and God said here I’ll
take all of that if you give it to me
I can change it today I’m a living
witness of the grace of God so I’m not
judging you
I’m encouraging you there’s a better
life for you and it can start today one
if you decide for Jesus Christ you’re
making the greatest decision of your
life – maybe you need to come back to
God and this is your moment of salvation
three hands lifted all over the world
come on lift your hands all over the
world and I’m telling you right now we
are so proud of you the more thing that
God is proud of you today I want to pray
with you and that transformation church
nobody prays alone cuz we’re one big
family white black Hispanic Native
American big family so everybody all
around the world let’s pray this prayer
together for the benefit of those who
are coming to Christ today everybody say
God thank you for sending Jesus just for
me today I’d make you my Lord and Savior
I believe you lived you died and you
rose again just for me come into my life
and change me renew me transform me I’m
yours in Jesus name Amen
hey there are claps from heaven and all
around though we’re oh come on this is
what our church is all about seeing
people transformed in Christ and if you
just made that decision I want you to
text the number on the screen right now
just take save to that number and we
want to walk with you not just through a
season that’s hard with racial
reconciliation and justice but do every
season of life we want to walk with you
we’re gonna stand with you and we’re
gonna let you know that no matter what
you’re going through God is for you he
is with you
and so are we I honestly believe that
this conversation needs to be shared all
over the world
I think people need to see this dynamic
maybe one little thing could spark
something in their mind or their
remembrance or or our causal revolution
how did you say that a real real
evolution said in the mic cuz they can’t
hear you a real evolution real evolution
we need we need something different and
we want to start this in screenshot this
picture right here you understand what
I’m saying screenshot this this is what
it looks like when somebody says yes to
God uses their privilege and moves
interracially and moves us into a place
where we can see way more with one man’s
yes and then another man’s yes who are
different ethnicities and then another
man’s yes for both ethnicities thanks
Charles there need to be more pictures
like this around the world from in
boardrooms and businesses intentional
this will not happen on accident yeah
this will happen intentionally today I’m
praying this for your family I’m praying
it for your businesses I’m praying it
for your neighborhoods I’m praying it
for your neighborhood watch I’m praying
it for the police force I’m praying it
for our government I’m praying it for
our our school districts I’m praying
that every place will begin to look like
heaven this week we’re praying that you
would live a transformed life share this
with everybody tell people what you’ve
learned we’re not going to raise racism
work we’re getting revelation that will
lead to a revolution transformation
touch we love you and we can’t wait to
see you next week as well we go out and
live a trance for money
thank you so much for watching this
message and if this has impacted you in
any way I’m asking you to do a couple of
things number one join transformation
nation join us right here every Sunday
gather your friends and your family and
be a part of not just this moment but
this movement the second thing I would
ask you to do is share share this with
your friends your co-workers people that
are around you because transformation is
just one click away the last thing I
would ask you to do is partner with us
financially if this ministry is
impacting your life transforming you I
would ask you to consider pray about
what you could give to help us take this
message to the whole world I want you to
know that we love you and your best days
are right in front of you this week I
want you to live a transformed life see
you next week
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